Sorry to bring it up but...

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I hate when someone locks a thread without a reason.. it was a good discussion.. so yell at me if you like, but I want a chance to respond.To Fab. What she was saying was not the truth. All her responses were rude, ignorant and right down slander and prejudice. It's fine if you both dislike homosexual acts, I wouldn't expect any straight guy to like watching two guys get it on.. that's fine. But to slander someone because of their sexuality, again something you have no control over, is different. Sad part is I (and Steve and the others posting in the thread) gave out some good advice and raised a lot of a good questions, and her responses were right down rude and pompus. If all she wanted was attention.. well she got it.And to Pinkranger.. I am not embarrassed of my sexuality. All I simply said it wasn't something I announce to everyone. When you walk up to someone and introduce yourself do you say "Hi, I"m (Whatever you name is), and I'm straight" No I don't think so. Most homosexuals just try and fit into society, not go against the grain.Problem is you both focus to much of your thought of the persons sexuality and what they do in their own bedrooms as judging tools. Why can't you simply look at a person for who they are? Sexuality is not the main point fo a human being.Fab I'm not sure fo your age.. but Pinkranger, maybe it's because you are young and unwise to the world that you have such hated views. Maybe it was your upbringing. Personally whatever the reason it doens't matter. I hope some where deep inside you, we gave you something to think about.Let me leave you with some recapped statements.Homosexuality is not a choice. No one in their right mind would choose to be homosexual. Would you choose a path that you'd be judged, bashed, have inequal rights and possibly killed? No. No one would.What people do in their own bedroom is no concern fo yours or anyone elses. Why judge a person for their sexuality? No one is asking you to watch them, so why care?Again I am not expecting to change your opinions.. but instead I want to give you something to think about. just remember, reguardless of a persons sexual orientation, they are humans and they deserve the same amount of respect as anyone else. Would it be a wonderful life if people just respect other poeple for who they are instead of what they are?

Homosexuality is bad and horribly! Down with gays! muhahahaha! ha!Lol, I'm just kididng. I actually don't find anything wrong with it at all really. I don't really find what the big deal is really. Is it honestly THAT serious? Being a Christian though I hear others alike say how horrible it is and what not when it's really not that bad. And people need to calm down, get over it, and deal with it. See this is why I dislike humans... er certain ones. They're so picky and can never be satisfied. When it comes to sexuality it's alright to do all these nasty little thingy majiggies but it's not alright for two men of the same sex to like each other. Prejudice. Is there another word for it? Homosexualist..ist...ist lol. Whatever. Some of my guy friends are gay and I don't find a problem with it. They are actually the most understanding out of the majority of my girlfriends. And they help me out alot especially when it comes to boy issues, and I don't have to feel insecure around them either. The whole stereotyping of gays is ridiculous too. I don't find many who have high-pitched voices or talk like a chic. Many of them have deep voices. Sexy too. wink wink Wow, that's wrong I take that back. But yeah, I don't get why people make it seem like being gay is a disease. And if it were an epidemic it sure isn't spreading around as fast as stupidity or prejudicisy...prejudicitity...I'll stop now... EDIT: Does that make me hypocrite?

Read your responses in there .. you wouldn't consider them rude? Saying you were born Gay is like me saying I was born a christian.. I wasn't I had a choice. I don't treat homosexuals any differently then I treat straight people. I see plenty of them considering I like in a larger city. Im still polite and friendly.. i dont walk up to them and call them a nasty fag... just like i wouldnt randomly walk up to a foreigner and call them a Pakki.. because i know it's hurtful.. i did not directly say anything to you.. I am saying that i believe homosexuality is wrong and i dont belive in it. Nothing will change my opinion

“I am saying that I believe homosexuality is wrong and I don’t believe in it. Nothing will change my opinion”You are so pathetic! Hey Pink…. I really don’t want to get into this with you…If and when you have kids, I feel very sorry for them and the screwed up homophobic, hypocritical upbringing they are going to have. It’s from people like you that give all the other bible thumping hypocrite’s fuel for their crusade.Someday you’ll have to answer in judgment for this. . Don’t be too surprised when they ask you to take the elevator down…….. Better yet……. Perhaps you’ll be reincarnated as a great, big, fat cock sucking drag queen!I’ll light a candle for you. Say a prayer for you and hope God is listening.Eddie... You are a good person with a good heart..Some of these people should try to walk a mile in our shoes....

That is exactly the point, it is not a choice that they make they ARE BORN THAT WAYChristians chose that way to be based on what they decided was right, its what they were told as children by christian parents, homosexuals did not choose to be gay. Ever heard the phras you cant choose who you fall in love with? It applies to not being able to choose what sex you fall for.They never made the choice to be descriinated against, to be harrased, to be beaten and kicked and spat on just so that they could have se with the same orientation as they are.I find guys with guys disgusting myself, I dont want to see it, but if Im not watching them have see what business is it of mine? Not a damned bit. I chose to grow long hair and have a beard and be covered in tattoos and i accept the things they bring on me for my appearance, no homosexuals chose to go thru what they go thru, many struggle in life and hat waking up because of the shit they put up with. Many try to get 'cured' and end up putting a gun in thier mouth instead. It is not a choice and it is nota desease, it cant be cured.Your attitude towards it is why so many people struggle agaisnt what they are and ilistrates exactly why no one would CHOOSE that 'lifestyle'.Rude or not rude, none of that means shit to me, either way it gets the ideas out in the open and maybe exposes the stereo types and ignorances to the light they need to burn out.

Who the fuck do you think you are? You're fucking pathetic the way you speak. I'm going to go to hell because i dont believe in homosexuality.. where it was STATED IN THE BIBLE that it is wrong.. riiiiiiiiight good one!

They are getting riled up.. I have to defend myself because of my beliefs? Fuck them

This isnt one of my insulting tirades I thought we were having a uhh semi mature conversation on some homosexual related misconceptions. I try to save my insulting tirades for people that type in teen text.

I have a best friend named Stephany. Defend your beliefs! Defend your homosexuality! Remember the Alamo!No seriously there's no way of stopping the hostility until it's resolved.

I'm not sure where ths thread originated. I haven't gone though many of the threads since my vacation.I too believe, and I've said this before, that homosexuality is wrong. I really don't care about the sexuality of others though and my opinion has absolutely nothing to do with religeon. If people were "born" homosexual and it is not simply a personal choice, then something went wrong in the fetal development process (and I believe there are theories about this).

no1> Careful. You may get an argument from you know whoSo in this long, complex thread, is that all you have to say? Just fishing for an argument? Shame on you.If people are born as homosexuals, or homosexuals-to-be, then whether homosexuality is an "error" is more a moral question than a scientific one. It appears that the percentage of the population that is homosexual is fairly steady, in humans and other mammals. I won't even talk about the gay penguins.> I don't think anyone is born gayThere is good and mounting scientific evidence that people are born gay. On the one hand, there is the influence of hormone levels and timing during gestation, but more importantly, there is evidence of difference in brain structure between homo- and heterosexual men. I got F22Fighter to find a relevant article last spring, and he took it pretty seriously. (I've already re-posted it twice on this site, and I'm tired of looking it up.) By the way, he goes to a Christian college, and according to his bio, he counsels gay men to be straight.So, pinkranger4, what if your religiously-inspired idea about gays is incorrect? Will that make you rethink your position? What if it turns out eventually that biologists prove that people are born with their sexual orientation, just as they're born with their skin color?

this isn't to you steve, just carrying on the thread. I always thought that gay people were born gay, its not a choice, i mean come on who the hell would want to live like that if all you got was abuse for doing it?Why if its a choice do men try and stay in a straight relationship, have kids etc, to find they can't live a lie, and HAVE to come out, whereby in lots of cases they lose everything. I dont' see how it could be a choice.I really do think that these threads should be locked, its getting out of hand, and i know people are starting to get upset and thats not what we are here for.

Oh common man!This is what i call liberal fascism. People bang on and on about freedom and choice and all that but whenever anyone poses a slightly "politically incorrect" viewpoint people go over the rail.

Personally I'm all for homosexuals doing what they want. I dont believe homosexuals are born gay par se. Rather I follow the theory given by soem scientists a few years back. Most peiople are born hetero and couldnt really be anyhting else. But some people are born without what makes them hetero and thus have to develope their heterosexuality in their formative years. Now this could develeope in various ways, such as getting a foot fetish, a sexual fondness for pain, being a pedophile, or in many cases being GAY. The politically correct brigade didnt like this cos it lumped gays and pedo's in the same category but frankly, science is science. Not to say this is proven out right but its certianly interesting.

Would it be a wonderful life if people just respect other poeple for who they are instead of what they are?It would be a wonderful life, indeed. But, on the other side, many people love hearing gossips, scandals and they love judging the life-style of each person, even if they know this is wrong! Sometimes, people are building their self-esteem based on the character's flaws of other people. So, many really don't want to respect anyone except their ego.Homosexuality is considered as a scandal, because it's supposed to be a sin for Christianism (and every sin in medieval ages was also a scandal). But, judging other's life and acts is a much worse sin.Anyway, we must never forget that everyone is the same in our world, even if many people don't really believe this unfortunately...

you wouldn't consider them rude? Saying you were born Gay is like me saying I was born a christian.. I wasn't I had a choice. You're talking about two options that are even close. Genetically, I was born gay. I have a sister that's also a lesbian, a first cousin that's also a lesbian... I could name more. but no one is born with religion, except for the fact of being born into religion by your family. You are not born with the scriptures inside your head or the gospel ringing through your ears. Religion is something you learn and eventually believe in, unlike homosexuality. So no I don't call it rude when someone says I was born gay, it’s the truth!Sexuality is a complex subject. I was very year when I knew I was different. I remember being about 6 years old and having a "crush" on another boy, it just wasn't until I was 17 did I really accept who I was. I can find woman attractive, like you Pinkranger I think you’re a pretty girl (attitude is a bit left to be desired) but sexually I find nothing appealing about you. But I can find a male attractive and sexually attractive. As Steve said there is MOUNTING evidence that we are born gay. No one in their mind would choose to live a life where they would be hated, bashed and possibly killed.>I am saying that i believe homosexuality is wrong and I don’t believe in it.I still don't get how you cannot believe in it.. it's real. I am gay. Homosexuality is a real thing in society... what is there not to believe? I have been asking you to explain that but you never do.

>If people were "born" homosexual and it is not simply a personal choice, then something went wrong in the fetal development process (and I believe there are theories about this).

Exactly and I understand you personally don't agree with homosexuality, but at least you are open tot he idea that it genetics. And personally I am fine if people don't agree with homosexuality as long as they can be human enough to understand we deserve equal treatment.

I don't think anyone is born gay...should I have been a woman because I relate better to them? People are not gay because of who/what they relate to. people are gay because of who they deserve romantically. Personally I relate more to men, I like working out I like certain sports and such.. but relationship and romantically I was a man and I have not one desire to be with a woman.>Obviously there's more dynamics to the psychological development of a homosexual person than we know or understand!Exactly... so how can you not believe people are born gay when you make a statement like that? >Now that I'm a bit older and wiser (and having felt a few weird desires in my kinky past - uh huh), I've come to accept the gay lifestyle for what it is. Is it right or wrong? Well who am I to say "who should be with who" as they plod their way through their (sometimes miserable) life?That was part of my point. Regardless about genetics... why should other people be allowed to tell me how I can marry or who I'm allowed to love? Why should someone else’s religion (which BTW I am a Christian) tell me that I'm not allowed to get the same benefits as any other citizen that’s not gay? I think that's truly what frustrates me the most!>But of course that won't happen anytime soon...besides, how would we decide who wears the dress at the wedding?? Bah both of you wear one!! LoL... Oh how I'd LOVE to see that ehehe!!! Big hunky boy like you in a dress... ooohhh the images hehe>The bottom line is that, any long term "relationship" isn't about sex, although it's bound to happen because we're HUMAN; relationships are about two people who somehow come together (no pun intended) and share their life and it's "experiances" together...if it happens to be that some guys relate better to and perfer the company of other men (or vice versa)...so be it. Loved that statement hun... I liked it a lot!!(And I am sorry for the Multi posts.. just had tooo much to say to too many different people and I think it makes to more confusing)

NtroducingMyself: it's not so fun when someone is dumping all over homosexuals, is it? The way you are feeling right now is the exact same way I was feeling when you tried to lump all black women under the category as being loud, pissy, and obnoxious. I hope Pink's feelings would also enlighten you on how it feels to be stereotyped.You're right. And I corrected myself and said I was sorry because what I said deff didn't come out how I meant it. But your point still stands.And glad you said something about the interracial thing, I was going to but I didn't want to bring more into it. Thank you, you made a lot of valid points.

I was just having a conversation with my friend lastnight about homosexuality because she _thinks_ she may be bisexual and she is afraid to tell anyone because she's afraid of the rejection she'll undoubtly get from people (we live in a small town with small minded people). She asked my advice and opinion and I told her that no matter what sexuality she is she should be proud to be who she is because being gay, bisexual, or strait should not be an issue in her everyday life. I believe that anyone who is gay should have the same rights as heterosexuals, there is nothing to be ashamed of, it's just a small part of who they are. Why can't we as a society get past the whole sexual oriantation(ms) thing? Why can't we just allow people to be happy with thier partners regaurdless of them being male or female? Is it really that big of a deal? I honestly don't think it is...

"Why can't we just allow people to be happy with their partners regardless of them being male or female? Is it really that big of a deal? "Katie....Very nice. Good advice for your friend and us. . Thank you for being you and with such a positive and mature way of believingPink:After sleeping on this topic, I felt really bad. I usually don’t get that riled up. I was thinking about what I wrote to you earlier... I apologize for calling you pathetic. I have issues with the Christian coalition and their crusade against my lifestyle. I have been in a relationship with my partner for 15 years. I am and have been raising my kids to respect people for who they are. It was wrong of me to rage against your beliefs. They are yours and I have no right saying they’re wrong. But know this... My kids are the future. They will help other to understand and support equal human rights. I have raised them to understand and appreciate love, from whoever it is. Other gay families like mine are doing the same. Someday, probably not in my lifetime, gay couples and the gay lifestyle will be accepted. So be prepared for the future….. Just a note…..I work, I pay my taxes and I do mostly everything you do as a person. (Except maybe in my bedroom) Why is it wrong in your eyes to allow me and others like myself the same rights as you have? I love my life partner more than life itself. I would gladly give my life to make sure he lives on. I love my kids unconditionally! Whether they are gay, straight, green, orange or purple with big horns...….Who cares. All I ask of them is to always to do their best. Not to lie, cheat or hate, and know that people’s sexual orientation shouldn’t matter. Hatred is taught to a child… I think with basics like that, they can’t go wrong in life. Personally, I think me being gay has made them stronger individuals… Again, I’m sorry for saying those things… Please try to teach your children tolerance and equality.