Why this country sucks

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http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/topstories/display.var.676724.0.youths_jailed_over_killing_for_fun.php 12 years for murder? What the hell is with this, me and a friend skipped college and were in mc donnals eating breakfast there was a paper on the table and the headline caught my eye about these chavs. As I read on I was like WTF, how does somone only get 12 years for murder that they have SO much evidence of them doing. Anyway it stuck in my head so I thought I would post about it.This kinda shit happens in my area also but no one has been killed yet. I wonder why no one has done anything about it? Maybe because the government doesnt care.

My understanding is that they didn't get 12 years for murder because they were convicted of manslaughter instead.

Of course, that begs the question why manslaughter instead of murder.

Yeah, it's loopy.

Agree our country if soft on crime. I think if you sexually abuse a child, you should get a life sentence for the first offence. And same for murder. However! if you get caught selling drugs, well you can rot in prison. What the hell is that? That should sooo not be a crime. Drugs should be legal. People that don't do drugs aren't going to do them if they are legal and people that are going to do drugs are going to do them legal or not. Why fill our prisons with them?

Normaly manslaughter applies when prosecution cant prove premeditation or there isnt enough evidence and they cut a plea bargin. In this case I didnt read the case so Im not offering an opinion as to why but rather just divulging the facts of the difference between manslaughter and murder in any degree.

Well it said that he posed as he kicked the guys head like a football, I dunno what the espected booting some guy full belt would do but I would say death would be a likly cause. It just pisses me off how people can get away with murder just because they only ment to beat the shit out of him not kill him. I feel bad for that guys family since the people who killed him can be out in a minimum of 6 years. (If they get parrole and stuff) I dont see how anyone could think this case was manslaughter, blah!

Agree our country if soft on crime.His country is England. What is your country?

That happens in out country as well babe. Last year an older man killed his wife, even admitted to it and he only got 12-14 years in prison. I was shocked.It kills me that people often get more jail time it seems for killing an animal than they do for say raping a human. I hate to see either one happen, but priorities seem a bit screwed.

yep

There are weird cases where people get much shorter sentences than seems justified, but how common is that? Now judges have sentencing guidelines (and much less flexibility). The prisons are really filling up faster than they can be built.

I think this is a case of a few widely-publicized egregious cases, with lots of Fox News-style coverage, with plenty of graphics, noisy music, and screaming anchors, but few facts, and no statistics.

This case is what you call "Happy Slapping"For those who may not know Happy Slapping is where someone will attack a random person and someone else will record it for a laugh.It was argued that the kids involved were doing this for fun and didnt intend to kill the person but to attack him for entertainment.Personally they should have gotten the full life sentance and an example should have been made of them,,, still, they will be nearly 40 by the time they get out of prison.Fuckers...

I thought it would be obvious. U.S.A.

So, there was an implied "also".

But you can sometimes tell things. I went to Mexico a few years back with a friend from Mexico City. He was a head of me in line, he had to show al sorts of documentation. And then came my turn, a smile and a wave and I was through. I look American, and I act American. And not just got here American. My most recently immigrated family members came from Norway in 1822.

Well, you can't put anything past those clever immigration folks. They realized that a guy who looks Mexican need careful scrutiny, because, why would a Mexican want to go back to Mexico, except to stir up trouble?

That reminds me of driving back to the U.S. over the border from Canada, when my friend and I were practically waved through, while a couple of darker folks were getting their car torn apart.

Are you saying it's good that you can waltz through otherwise difficult situations if you're nice and white and Midwestern-sounding?