What's With the Hate?

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In reply to: .... I swear to fuck, fBush has one and has used it on America, since that piece of shit came to power Im happy to be an American, but Im sure as hell not proud to be one, sometimes it borders on shame. Hhey man dont let it become shame. Be proud that as an American you still have the power to save your country because of your system if government. We can only hope you manage to do so before its too late.

OK, then why are you declaring we should interfere with all these other countries if you are so libertarian. And wars aren't cheap either.

Being a social libertarian does not mean one cant support an aggressive foreign policy.

OK, power has already been out 3 times this morning so lets see if it wont let me get this done now, its been on for atleast a half hour this time so maybe...Im too lazy t scroll back and find the proper place to insert this comment but I figure this place shall due since it was directd to you anyways. I cant remeber the exact shit you said to me, but in response to something along hte lines of making plans before going to war and good leaders and strogn foriegn policy and all that shit...... Here it is. The smoking gun. The memo that has "IMPEACH HIM" written all over it. The top-level government memo marked "SECRET AND STRICTLY PERSONAL," dated eight months before Bush sent us into Iraq, following a closed meeting with the President, reads, "Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam through military action justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy." Read that again: "The intelligence and facts were being fixed...." For years, after each damning report on BBC TV, viewers inevitably ask me, "Isn't this grounds for impeachment?" -- vote rigging, a blind eye to terror and the bin Ladens before 9-11, and so on. Evil, stupidity and self-dealing are shameful but not impeachable. What's needed is a "high crime or misdemeanor." And if this ain't it, nothing is. The memo uncovered this week by the Times, goes on to describe an elaborate plan by George Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair to hoodwink the planet into supporting an attack on Iraq knowing full well the evidence for war was a phony. A conspiracy to commit serial fraud is, under federal law, racketeering. However, the Mob's schemes never cost so many lives. Here's more. "Bush had made up his mind to take military action. But the case was thin. Saddam was not threatening his neighbors, and his WMD capability was less than that of Libya, North Korea or Iran." [\i] There goes your lets get iran theory, if there was a reason for iran, start there, dont end there.[\b]The Republicans impeached Bill Clinton over his cigar and Monica's affections. And the US media could print nothing else. Now, we have the stone, cold evidence of bending intelligence to sell us on death by the thousands, and neither a Republican Congress nor what is laughably called US journalism thought it worth a second look. [\i]all of that a memo can be found at this site. Keep in mind the speciffic memo on this is 5 pages longall that and only a small part! shall we continue ?[\b] A confidential memo of a two-hour meeting between President George W. Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Jan. 31, 2003, makes clear that the White House was bent on attacking Iraq two months later no matter what, The New York Times wrote Monday in a story based on its review of the document.Bush made clear to Blair that he was determined to invade Iraq without the second United Nation resolution, "or even if international arms inspectors failed to find unconventional weapons," The two leaders apparently predicted a quick war and "manageable" aftermath, Van Natta writes. Bush predicted that it was "unlikely there would be internecine warfare between the different religious and ethnic groups," and Blair agreed. "The memo also shows that the president and the prime minister acknowledged that no unconventional weapons had been found inside Iraq," The Times relates. "Faced with the possibility of not finding any before the planned invasion, Bush talked about several ways to provoke a confrontation, including a proposal to paint a United States surveillance plane in the colors of the United Nations in hopes of drawing fire, or assassinating Mr. Hussein."[\i]Now keep in mind this is from 2 memos, the first part I wrote and then this part, its not all 1 memeo its two memos from two seperate time, one lkeaked from the UK side and one from the US side, how fucking dumb do these "leaders" have to be do pull this shit and keep records of them doing it ?compassionate coservative my dying fucking ass.greedy, self serving, manipulative slime bag bastards is what they are.if Saddam had done the same thign bush and blair did, then bush and blair would of been the first two fucks in line screaming for his ass and crying for the UN to being him up on war crimes, but in the name of western advancement and the good fight by gods right hand, its ok to do the same things !Fuck that and fuck god and fuck bush and blair.OI have more fucks then I have time to type out here, ashcroft, chaney, rummsfield, the list goes on and on.fI never thought I woud see a time in my life when Nixon started to look like a better choice then the current piece of shit that sits in office, we all can thank Bush for finding a way to be that piece of shit that makes Nixon look goo.People bitch at me about god and how god is real and then tel me god is on dubyas side, if thats what god is and what god wants then god can go fuck gods self as cacn anyone who throws themselves in with Bush and that bastard bunch of decrepid lootersf and stalkers of liberty, the crushers of civi rights. The bastards not ony did it her at home but took that battle to the world, soon noone in s any country shall have any civil right or liberties and we will be able to say I was there when it started, I did nothing to stop it, your welcome.Its bad enough to stand by and let it all go but to support what those fucks have done ? unforgivable and those people should be burned at the stake and thier ashes sewn shut in a bag made from dog food bags and flushed out into the sewers of new york.shall we form the lines again?

In reply to: There goes your lets get iran theory, if there was a reason for iran, start there, dont end there Not possible, we dont have the ability to attack Iran without Iraq and/or Afghanistan to use as bases to attack it from. Well I suppose we COULD attack it via the arab sea, but it would be much harder and Tehran is closer to the Irawq border than it is to the sea. So no, my "get Iran" theory still stands. All yoou've shown is very good evidence that Bush and Blair are liers. I already knew that. And that they thought it would be easier than it is.

Oh yeah if, as you say, that poest is directed at me, dont moan at me about god. I am an atheist.

The post was directd towards you, the political aspects and repurcusions not to mention the outright lies in order to get us to a war we have no business being in, the god part is my general theory and not directed towards you personaly, just to anyone who reads it and cares to come back at me with a bush is on gods side, god is right, allah is wrong blah blah blah post.

ew you guys are talking about history? disgusting lol

Uh yes it does. Waging war detracts a helluva lot of the freedom of the invadees' population.

Well of course they do. That doesnt stop me being a libertarian. I support libertarian social and economic policies, thus I am a libertarian, simple.

wait wait waitupo there you said "All yoou've shown is very good evidence that Bush and Blair are liers. I already knew that. And that they thought it would be easier than it is. "dont you get it ??its not that they ar liars its that they FABRICATED reasons to be there, this is an illegal unsanctioned occupation.Bush and blair are fucking war criminals, no better then th fucking nazis of yesteryear.Paint a spy plane in UN coors and fly it to draw fire. Knowing hter is no connetion between terrorist and Iraq bush was already to use that as an excuse to go in. the ony reason trrorists are there now is because the US led occupation created the environment for the insurgents to flourish.we gave thenm thier jihad, it is our fucing fault that this is happening. It was all based on personalk wants and desires of Bush wh sucked blair in and not on any fucking need to stop Iraq because they broke sanctions, remember the first excuse ? WMD ! they what they got none ? uhh the damned terrorists! that wont work either ? wel saddam was a bastard and the people need us to free them so they can now live wiht no water or electrical service to half hte country and be blow up by insurgent suicide bombers and have an election to elect the people that bush puts into power.Oil my ass. its not about oil, all the fucking oil in IRaq isnt worth as much money as we have spent on the effort so oil mkaes no sense, we could of bought it al and been cheaper, at current production rates and what is belived to be in the ground o those deposits, we can tae it all and run 24 hours a day and in 100 years that fucking oi wont have paid for what the US alone put into the war.Bush and Blair and all thier buddies need to be tried as war criminals and shot by fireing squad for thedisgrace they rought and hte lives they ruined.You can not even speak out to much about the bastars here in the land of the freeHunter S Thompson once made a speach at a coege and said something to the effect of bush should be stomped ot death and Id join in, he was arrested for all kinds of shit and they wanted to send him to prison for speaking against the goverment and attempting to start a riot. It has become more and more a dictatorship then anything else. You tell me how that is good for anyone ?In the UK have you civil rights all but disapeared? once illegal activities for the goverment no longer apply. tap my phone tap y mail, illegal search and seizures, all the shit this fucking country was founded and built on is repealed and that fuck runs rampant as the most piss poor excuse for a human being as ever there was. My country has gone to complete shit and world approva of its citizens is at an al time low when we used to be MOSTLY beloved world wide, all in 6 years we are now the most hated people to ever live. You agree wihtthe siht they have done and thier foriegn policy?sorry, Ill have to include a big fuck you and suck my sweaty ball sack to you as I do for all those people who support those fucking tyrants.

In reply to: You agree wihtthe siht they have done and thier foriegn policy? Stop saying thing to that effect! How many times do I have to say its ONLY ONLY ONLY their foreign policy I support, no the erodation of liberty. Remember I am in the opposition party here in the UK and would be a Democrat if I was American.And why are you rmabling about the reasons we arent in iraq for? I already said words to that effect earlier. We sure arent in there for oil or democracy or WMD's.

In reply to: dont you get it ??its not that they ar liars its that they FABRICATED reasons to be there, this is an illegal unsanctioned occupation. Yes, I get it.

it is thier foriegn policy that has allowed them to have that affect here at home.people fear of all the bulshit they spit out is what led tothe idiots giving up civil liberties and rights in order to feel safer and all the studies done since suggest that we are no safer now then when those planes hit.

Thats cos people are easily scared. I think its stupid all this fuss about terrorism nowadays, when Britian was not so long ago suffering much worse at the hands of the IRA. Didnt introduce terror laws then did we? Damned stupid. We got through it then without eroding our own people's liberty and we could manage it now. Britain is safer today than it was 20 years ago.I do believe we could have had the war without the terror laws. The concervative party here in the Uk (the leading opposition party) supports the war (or at least our last leader did, not sure where our recently acquired new leader stands on the war) but opposes the terror laws. Would that be tyhe case were they the ones in power? Cant say for sure but I think so.

well this is rare, an argument over politics and we found something we agree upon. Has to be damned near a first in the history of the world judging by todays sad ass state.Now tell me how you can agree to this but stil support the shit they are dragging out overseas and the foriegn policy? Trust me I have abetter Idea of htis then most people, i workded for DoD, I had access to many things most people dont get to see, I have many friends over there now, civilians who wree told to go or be unemployed and they get shelled constantly I hear all the shit and see all the pics they send back. None of htem have died yet but ore then one of my buddies thats over there in uniform has, and for what?Fuck Iraq, they didnt rise u and overthrow saddam and ask us to help, we created a civil war for the so that we could reach out and be the fucking world police, stay in your own fucking country and fix it first, when everyone in it is fed an clothed and employed and sickness and chid abuse an scummy fucking molestors and rapists dont occupy every town then you can say your an example for other to follow and start trying to get everyone else to be just like you.

Ill say this, I support no party.i love guns so I cant be a demorat, I have that the republicans support war, support higher taxes on working class and stifing individualism, so I cant be one of them, Im not a fucking sociaist, I looked into that, cant condone it. democrat are weak, fucking weak and do not have the courage of thier convictions to stand and fight, not sure why that happened it didnt use tobe so but it is now. alot of thier policy is bullshit and I cant get behind it. what you have is the democrats stand up and say " Ihave a shitty Idea!a republican stands up and says and I can make it shittier!its a losing propasition for the people.I align closer with demos then republicans but both parties are the shits when it comes to rflecting what I feel an what I think a republicans are the shits when it omes to allowig people to live and gain wealth,, unless your already wealthy.I do not see how ayone that has to work for a living can in good faith vote republican, but we have already proven that our system of elections is about hte largest pile of shit to ever be put into affect. it needs reform asap, it wont get it but it needs it. those inpower make the rules and they make them to thier own benifit.

In reply to: well this is rare, an argument over politics and we found something we agree upon. UI think you'll find we have similar idea's about domestic policies. The Concervative party in the UK is closer to the Democrats than to the Republicans. In reply to: Now tell me how you can agree to this but stil support the shit they are dragging out overseas and the foriegn policy? The same way I can support Labour's liberal attitude to gay marriage, while opposing their ban on fox hunting. Just because I dislike one thing they do doesnt mean I dislike everything they do. Like I say my party (the upper ranks anyway) supports the war, but opposes the terror laws (and has successfully blocked many of them, so its not quite as bad as you made it out to be in an earlier post, thank god ), and I feel the same.In my opinion the worse thing about the war has been how it has crippled us diplomatically on the workld stage, but in principle I still think it was the right thing to do. Did we do it for the wrong reasons? We certainly did it for the wrong stated reasons. Has it been executed well? No. But do I believe setting up a west-friendly regime in Iraq woudl be good? Yes. Is that actualy going to happen now? Maybe, its not lost yet.

In reply to: but we have already proven that our system of elections is about hte largest pile of shit to ever be put into affect. it needs reform asap, it wont get it but it needs it. those inpower make the rules and they make them to thier own benifit. Indeed. I suggest you scrap two-party democracy, that way people like you will have more influence.

shit we got a million parties, just two main ones and its those two tht always get the election. we got green parties and liberal parties and socialist parties and demos and repubs and any damned name you care to google you cud problay come up with a party for.wanna see a real kick in the ass?? hows this strike you ? I hope to fuck its a hoax but I dont doubt its possible and that in a few months he wil announce it on cnn.read the quotes, half the shit he says is insane, it has to be a hoax, has to be! hes a great actorf, I love hsi work but president ?? rational thoughts ???I think not. Yet in this current shithole we call the US, I could see him not oy running but winning.ironic though if it happened after his perfomrance in "The Dead Zone"well not exact irony, but damned odd.