Foley scandal

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Seriously, can we all get back on topic...So, how 'bout this Foley guy, huh? I wonder many other pedos are on the Hill.

I accept your point, Steve, that mods and admins should have a higher standard, and should help set the tone of the boards. That's a fair comment.However, comparing mods to cops is, I think, to put them on too high a pedestal. The comparison with adults - big children thrust by the passage of time into a position of responsibility - is a better one.

mods to copsIt was an analogy not meant to be taken too literally.> The comparison with adults - big children thrust by the passage of time into a position of responsibility - is a better one.I hope the people who are literally parents (not just in loco) are more than big children. But, keeping with the analogy, what do you do with a child who acts out? An adult you might try to reason with.

Other than Angel and Kristal he's helped me through alot. So I won't say muchBut I love Helmsy like a fat kid loves cake And aka, wait that's wrong... fyi there we go, fyi arguing over the net is pointless when the world is going to HELL each second that passes. Go revolt or something. Like... the Sepoy or Boxer Rebellion. You guys are so pessimistic always. get the rock out of your shoe.

I think the analogy to parents is even less apt than to cops. Parents have almost total responsibility for their offspring, especially when they are young.Becoming a parent, though it thrusts great responsibility on you, doesn't turn you into a different person, though, Steve. One's own parents seemed on a very different plane to oneself, but I assure you it was largely bluff.

I'm not sure how pessimism fits in, but when you get slapped (or when you see someone else get slapped), you react, regardless of the state of the world. That the slapper may have done some good deeds doesn't change that equation.

There are good parents and there are bad parents. Some are barely capable of feeding their offspring, much less stay current on the heating and electric bills. But these analogies are getting rather worn out.The point I'm making is that someone is responsible for this site, and when a volunteer employee screws up, nothing happens. I know that your invisible hand works in mysterious ways, but still, some things don't seem to ever change. I don't see why it's accpetable that a moderator is a chronic gay basher. You can argue that people should just suck it up and take it, or that the mods are not your children, but that begs the idea that there are two of you who are responsible for this place.How is this site a welcoming place if one mod makes fun of gays all the time?At the end of the day, you can run the site however you see fit. If you think that sort of think is OK, or you just don't know what to do about it, or you don't have time to deal with it, then so be it.

I understand what you mean. I just mean pessimism regarding everything said on this forum excluding things in this thread.

How is this site a welcoming place if ........That sounds like deja vu. Seems like I've heard that complaint from other members about someone else. Hmmmmm

I thought pedophiles were people who prey on children under 18. Guess I was wrong.

And to Steve: many members have had complaints about this site not being warm and friendly like it used to be because of certain members. People in glass houses....

> Hmmmmm

The person to whom you are referring is not a mod! Surely you understand the difference between "member" and "moderator". Having out-of-control members may make you look a bit silly, but having out-of-control moderators makes you look ridiculous.

CBW> many members have had complaints about this site not being warm and friendly like it used to be because of certain members. People in glass houses....

Let me spell it out for you. "M E M B E R". "M O D E R A T O R". Two different things. Moderators and administrators should know the difference.

I was gone for a while, and it looked like everybody was at each others throats at the time. Imagine that. Who you gonna blame? This place was flame central long before I got here, and it will be flame central long after I was gone.

Meanwhile, you have a rogue moderator. Apparently that's fine, although the owner of the site did have kittens when that person turned into a mini-Nixon when he was admin. Are we seeing the Peter Principle in action?

Out of all the posts in the thread, you agreed with Abi's? OK, no problem. But by whining about all the fussing, aren't you still whining?

> like a second family

In mosts homes can be found bickering families.

Back on the subject of the FOLEY Scandal; to say the least, Mr. Foley an elected congressman acted improperly in sending e-mail messages to a 16 year old page. If Mr. Foley had not resigned from the congress, I am sure the full body of the congress would have removed him. Now it appears that some of the "one time pages" are coming out of the woodwork to tell their stories, why didn't they report Mr. Foley when they were pages? Federal or State Charges should be filed against Mr. Foley for his actions.

Pages are appointed, and between the age of 16 - 18, and must attend full time school while in Washington; and they have to live in the dorm assigned to them while in Washington. Pages learn about our government, and Mr. Foley's does not give a good impression; most pages (both congress and senate) are very good peole and take their appointment serious.

I have to agree with you steve totally....wow LOLThe moderators and admin on this site SHOULD be setting an example, anti-gay comments are the same as anti-black comments, NOT ACCEPTABLE it shows bad form on the boards when anyone does it, never mind moderators. YES everyone has the right to their opinion, but as moderators we are meant to be above petty name calling and bickering.

I hadn't noticed that Helms was ALWAYS bashing gays, but the gay to pedofile thing was out of line.I think you have missed a lot of posts than. Ever since the whole incident with another member and I months ago Helms makes it a point to bash homosexuals every chance he gets. He was wrong back than as the Admin defending the member who was harassing me (not to mention he also started harassing me through PM) and he has been in the wrong since he was demoted to Mod as he continues taking his cheap shots towards homosexuals. He’s made it a point in the Mod forum to make it clear he thinks he’s better than all of us, and if he think this is true than maybe he needs to, at least, reconsider his position on a site of people that are much lower than him in his opinion… agreed?> (sdp)That sounds like deja vu. Seems like I've heard that complaint from other members about someone else. HmmmmmThough I see your point, but as Steve said there is a difference between a member and mods/admin. We are set on a difference level of standards as to how we act and conduct ourselves on the boards. Don’t get me wrong I am not perfect and I don’t think any mod/admin here will say they are either, but the rest of us don’t go around bashing a class of people to get our jollies either.

he has been in the wrong since he was demoted to Mod as he continues taking his cheap shots towards homosexuals. He’s made it a point in the Mod forum to make it clear he thinks he’s better than all of us, and if he think this is true than maybe he needs to, at least, reconsider his position on a site of people that are much lower than him in his opinion… agreed?First of all, as the good doc said, no one was "demoted." Second of all, I don't think Helms thinks he's better than all of us on here. He's a long time member, who's been very dedicated to the site (fighting the pedos who come here) who cares about members. He has helped me through a lot of stuff and I do appreciate his presence around here. Since this thread has degenerated into personal attacks, I'm going to lock it.

Guess you missed the post in the Mod forum where is made it clear he thought he was better than all of us. Maybe you need to go back and take a look.

Thanks for reopening my thread just to reply to me.

You're welcome