Stirring some shit with a BIG spoon

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No. I need to get it back from Sony and stick a new hard disk in. I'm throwing in the towel on PCs and Microsoft (as much as possible) and getting an Apple notebook, which should arrive Saturday. To paraphrase Homer Simpson, Sony, Microsoft, and all their minions can kiss my hairy yellow ass.Returning to the subject of this thread, some redneck knuckle-dragging primate fundamentist in the U.S. is suing their school board because they find that evolution being taught in their school is offensive to their religious sensibilities.Someone ought to run with the idea and come up with a religion that rejects the atomic theory, since it's just a theory, and in the mind of know-nothings, a scientific theory is nothing more than an idle guess.My country embarrasses me sometimes. Or at least parts of it do.

The Catholic Diocese of San Diego has declared bankruptcy so they can wriggle out of paying damages to all the parishioners their priests raped when those parishioners were children.This is another manifestation of that American characteristic I mentioned a while ago: the belief that if you just put people with the right morals in delicate positions, all will be well, and there will be no need for pesky rules. That wrong-headed belief is compounded by the bogus idea that religious people are more moral (or better-behaved) than average people.If you add up the numbers in the American Catholic Church raping-priest scandal, you'll see that their rate of abuse has be higher than that of other adults who deal with children.The Catholic church kicked out nuns who deigned to disagree with the leadership, but protected abusive priests. The contemptible bishop of Boston, Bernard Law, was given a nice position at the Vatican, when in fact he should be breaking rocks with a pick axe for the rest of his God-forsaken life. What a stupid, arrogant bastard he was. He belongs in jail.We Americans like to repeat the same error over and over though. It's where faith leads us. More and more, religious organizations are being exempted from rules that other non- and for-profit organizations. Bush when he was governor signed legislation repealing the regulation of religious day care centers (Christian, Muslim, or child-sacrificing cult -- it doesn't matter). The result was very bad, and regulations were quietly reintroduced. But in Bush's mind, he hasn't made any mistakes until recently, so he blissfully keeps pushing for the same thing, over and over and over again.

LOL...same old Steve. Didn't listen then...doesn't listen now.

I feel like I turned on the Fox News channel and got sucked into the TV.Same old Thor. Didn't reason then, doesn't reason now, but has no problem attacking the person.Darling, I've missed you. I needed reminding that faith triumphs reason. Silly me. I suggest you continue taking your marching orders from a foreigner on an Internet Web site, though. I'm sure he's being guided by the unseen hand of Jesus.

I think your slightly wrong on that one steve.
I agree that the numbers show reflect what your saying, they are the highest rate of offenders.
But realistically they didnt do a good job of cover ups and they have officials who conduct services not regular people who volunteer and take on the positions as an extra duty with out pay.
The mormon church has a high rate of child molestors that go undocumented when considering gods affiliation.
Just yesterday there was a lovely story about a missionarie here in utah that got popped in january for child molesting a few hours after he babtised the 12 year old he was reaching into his pants and fondling his dork at the kids party at home afterwards to celebrate his being babtised and converted. It happend in december and made police reports in early january and was only released to the public yesterday. Provo Utah is major mormonville, around here its refered to as happy valley and has one of the highest rates of child molesting in the world, per capita.
I dont think the catholics have a lock on it all, they just have been singled out because its easier to affiliate the priests with a church when referring to child molesting than it is with other faiths.

I agree, but the Catholic Church is to some extent, based on its structure and organization, a big pedophile ring. The same kind of thing happens all over the world, but in most places you're not likely to hear about it.The devout Catholics who enjoy seeing would-be statutory rapists busted on TV by the NBC news guy should be very concerned about what goes on inside their cathedrals.

Cant argue against that. But really, all churches are based on structure and organization. The mormon church is a breeding grounds for it, they have many more oppurtunites to ingage in sthat type of behavior with youth. They preach family first all the time, they are the biggest churh invovled in the boy scouts and send grown men out into the woods on camp outs with children. I know of several times that the scout master has not had children of his own in the troop or maybe noteven had children period but was still the one leading and watching over the boys.I think that the close contact with young boys draws people into the postions who other wise would not be a part of the organization to begin with. Im posative its the same with catholics, people becomeing prioests not because of thier fath and love with god but because ti gives them the oppertunity to be with the children.The love and faith of god should prevent any of that shit from going on sinece they preach about sin and gays being wrong and stand out against child molesters, they know what they are doing is wrong but it doesnt stop them from touching 12 year old pee pees and feeling around a little boys butthole.Did ya see The Departed? Jacknicholson is a bad fucker in that shot, but a scene in a eatery where he talks to the priests at another table asking them if they remembered the conversation they had a while back about not sucking little boys peters...I love that scene. Maybe what we need is a guy like jack to go around and talk to the priests about that shit, Im much more fearful of a lunatic like that character then I am of some invisible being punishing me. If he told me to not smoke, Id probally listen because I like my legs and arms in working order.

The Mormon Church has a hierarchical organization like the Catholic Church. I'm sure they have a stable of lawyers, as the Catholic Church does.It's a travesty that the pope was on the stand, defending the church's holding company against a lawsuit. All people can do is sue their local diocese. It's just wrong.Many, many men who enter the priesthood are gay. Some have pedophile issues. They enter the priesthood to deal with their own demons. How many psychologically-healthy people would enter a lifetime of sexual abstinence?

_Many, many men who enter the priesthood are gay. _

Are Catholics the only ones who require celibacy as part of priesthood(in Christianity)?

In the Eastern Orthodox church (at least in the Serbian branch), it is **required **that the man be wed before being ordained as a priest.

Are Catholics the only ones who require celibacy as part of priesthood(in Christianity)? In Christianity -- I believe so. There are other religions that have ascetic (and celibate) monks, though.

I would think that monks of all branches are celibate. They are in the Eastern Orthodox Church. But celibate priests don't make sense to me... Wasn't there talk about changing that in the Catholic church?

Originally Posted By: sdp

But celibate priests don't make sense to me...

Me either. The Bible talks about those holding a position of authority in the church to meet certain criteria...one of them being the husband of one wife.

I think there was talk about changing that, but the pope would not allow it. I know alot of Catholics that believe priests should be allowed to get married. I also know a few men that would have become priests if they could get married.This may shock some people, but in my younger years I wanted to be a nun.

Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43This may shock some people, but in my younger years I wanted to be a nun. Oh Chance...somebodies got your number...

...And that someone is Julie, she also hs my balls in her hand, call me whooped if ya like, its true, Im fucking owned, but I can think of worse to be owned by

Wasn't there talk about changing that in the Catholic church?The Catholic church has been going through a very conservative period since the start John Paul II's popehood. It's not likely that there will much liberalization of the rules any time soon. Priests' getting married is a non-starter. And forget about women priests altogether.

Actually there has been a lot of talk about trying to allow atleast a minority of priests to get married, there was a lot of talk about it here in Ireland.

Married Anglican priests are allowed to convert and become married Catholic priests.

Well thats cheating!

Married Anglican priests are allowed to convert and become married Catholic priests. Indeed, there is a loophole. There was a married Catholic priest interviewed in some TV documentary, and he seemed unusually well-adjusted.I'm not sure that the priest conversion is limited to Anglicans...I think it also works for Orthodox priests...or at least some sect(s) of the Greek/Russian Orthodox.Bob said:Quote:Actually there has been a lot of talk about trying to allow atleast a minority of priests to get married, there was a lot of talk about it here in Ireland.Yes, the matter was indeed on the table, but the reality is that there is no prayer that the previous or current pope would go along with the idea. He has ultimate veto power. John Paul II has so packed the hierarchy with conservatives that not much will change any time soon. And conservative bishops and cardinals from Latin America and Africa are in the ascendancy.The Catholic church is between a rock and a hard place in places like Latin America, where they're losing lots of people to evangelical Protestant denominations.