Obama and hilary both suck

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is it just me or does alot of people dont like oboma or hilary. any time i see them both they make me sick i just want to throw up. go Huckubee. he is awsome.

Lol , you think he is awesome but you can't spell his name :wink:
Well they both don't "suck"
Hilary - Female
Obama - African American
Either of them will be the first in the white house. I must say i hope that Hilary wins she has had a lot of experience and support from Bill!
Huckabee - i just can't believe he wants to continue the work in the middle east which has so far been such a disaster!

look hilary sucks because bill sucks. come on he almost got empeached and hes prochoice wigh makes him suck even more and obama just sucks bcause he is just 2 young. i hope huckabee wins because he is a southern baPTIS MINISTER

He is 46 , older than Kennedy.Huckabee is 52.

Originally Posted By: deekcome on he almost got empeachedFor lying about getting some action. In all honesty, I thought that was friggin' stupid, to be almost booted off being president because he's as human as the next guy. Originally Posted By: deekwigh makes him suck even more and obama just sucks bcause he is just 2 young.Wow, good argument. Originally Posted By: deeki hope huckabee wins because he is a southern baPTIS MINISTER Religion should never be guide in politics. Sigh, but unfortunately...

Originally Posted By: deeklook hilary sucks because bill sucks. come on he almost got empeached and hes prochoice wigh makes him suck even more and obama just sucks bcause he is just 2 young. i hope huckabee wins because he is a southern baPTIS MINISTER You seem like you're pretty young by your other threads.Hillary isn't her husband. They have different political values and strategies. Mike Huckabee is a decent republican candidate, but just because he was a minister doesn't mean he should win. I think he has a lot of charisma (as shown in debates) but isn't likely to win, and I don't think he's the best republican candidate anyways.Not that it even matters, but I think McCain should be the Republican front runner.Hillary and Obama are decent, Obama doesn't have as much political experience but that's not to say his ideas show that.In summary:Hillary =/= BillInexperience =/= intelligence or political theory and motive, in fact you could argue he's not as corrupted by politics as others. It could go either way.Christianity is not something to base your vote off of. I would must prefer looking into their political policies and using that as a marker, though I am unsure of whether you are old enough to vote.

Bill almost got impeached because he pursued every man's dream. That had nothing to do with his presidency. Being a conservative myself, even I can see that.

I agree that I dislike Hillary, but not for Bill. I dislike Hillary because if you take a closer look at her issues, she's going to run the Country into more debt than this war, as well as ruin the country's economy. Raise Taxes + Spend More doesn't solve inflation, nor debt. Saving Social Security and implementing Federal-run insurance isn't going to be cheap either.
I dunno about you, but I personally would rather keep the money I work for, then give it to Hillary to give away. There are other ways to keep costs down, the Dems just refuse to look at them, and the Reps refuse to do it.

Also, Huckabee isn't particularly desirable either. The fact he's southern doesn't mean anything. His Ministry doesn't mean anything. The President doesn't preach, nor does he marry. The President is supposed to guide foreign Policy. The last thing we need is a radical Christian to guide our Middle-Eastern Policy. (and I'm a devout Lutheran)

Realism is important to note. Yes, I'm one of the brainwashed masses who likes Ron Paul. However, I'm also paleo-conservative, and thus, Libertarian, so it would make sense I have similar views.

However, given the choices, I still see Edwards as a slimy good-for-nothing, Obama as WAY too inexperienced, Hillary as the downfall of the nation, Huckabee as the antagonist, and Guliani as an idiot. Given all the likely, viable options. I vote McCain.

I agree that Hilary would be a very bad choice for President. Just look at her little socialistic program that failed miserably back when Bill was President. And she manipulates voters as much as she can, changing her stances, crying when she gets behind in a race (but not crying about the deaths in 9/11 or the Iraq War) all just so people will believe she's "more human". Give me a break. I dunno about Obama, though, but from what I've read, the two have gotten into a bit of mudslinging recently.As for Huckabee, he scares me. He wants to change the Constitution so that it fits God's words. There's a little thing called separation of Church and State, maybe he should look it up? If I was a month older, I would never vote for Huckabee nor Clinton (I miss voting by 20 days or so).Also, Theodore Roosevelt was younger than Obama is, and he is seen as one of the great Presidents, like Kennedy. And if anyone takes into account the race or gender of a person when deciding to vote, they aren't very fit to vote. What matters is their stances and personality, not their race/gender.

I am 16 years old and from Arkansas.But despite my southern blood and devotion to my state, I am a democrat and an extreme liberal.Bill Clinton was an amazing president. He had some sketchy moral issues but in NO way does that have any affect on his policies. Hillary and Bill are both extremely intelligent Yale graduates that love this country. The statement that our country was terrible under Bill is a complete and total falsehood. Our economy was in amazing shape (we had a surplus), our foreign policy was outstanding (expansion of peace corps and lots of friendly missions/talks with Boris Yeltsin the president of Russia at the time), and a lot of amazing social changes to our countries (more job opportunities - especially for minorities -, homelessness was at an all time low, and welfare was increased).Now, he was not perfect by any means. No president is. He had his faults and things were overlooked. But he was much more good than bad UNLIKE current President Bush. Hillary has great ideas for universal health care (which Australia and Canada already have), a good foreign policy (get the fuck out of Iraq), and plans for a socialist economy (LOOK AT CHINA'S GDP AND TELL ME THAT WE DON'T WANT A SOCIALIST ECONOMY).Hillary is weak militarily, but we aren't planning on starting any wars.Obama and Clinton have many of the same ideals, but Obama will not get elected BECAUSE of inexperience. He isn't ready. If Obama were to get on the Clinton ticket he'd have a much better chance of becoming president when she gets out of office.We need a democrat in office - someone to help the little guy. Bush gives all the breaks to the wealthy, and that's where the money stays. Reagan and Bush Sr. did the EXACT same thing.We need a moderate in office, someone who supports gay marriage, and choice, and freedom of religion. THAT'S WHAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON.Ron Paul is ridiculous. Let me tell you why - he wants to go back to the gold standard, he supports children and arms, he wants to cut ALL taxes, he voted AGAINST the clean air act and the desegregation bill in the 60s (I think thats the right time period), and he has less the one percent of the popular.Edwards would be a good president, he has some good policies that wouldn't change history but would keep our country in shape. He won't win because he WON'T get the nomination on the democratic ticket.Cussinich (spelling?) has very..strange ideas like the Department of Peace but is a good candidate. He won't get the nomination either.McCain wants a strong army which is good looking at China's current military might. He supports national service (like Kennedy) and would make a very good Republican president.Huckabee...sigh...is too much of a preacher. I have no problem with religion but it should be separate from government. He WON'T do that. He will be another Bush. He is a classic republican candidate (southern preacher and/or former governor that uses religion to win). He also is very judgmental..tsk tsk.In all honesty, I don't care about the other candidates. Really, we know Mitt Romney won't win.In short,Vote for whoever you want, but get your facts straight on everyone.Don't mudsling if you have false information.GO HILLARY

It's well known that what in the US is called liberal is what the rest of the world calls a little right of centre, but I haven't heard the Marxist tag before. For myself, as I became older and paid more taxes, my political views have moved further left.The US is not a low-taxing nation, when taxes from all levels of government are added up, and then it overspends its income by almost as much again, and yet it seems to get remarkably little value from it. It seems that a huge amount is wasted, or spent on special-interest groups, like huge agricultural subsidies.

You've made no valid points.First of all, throwing Hussein into Obama's name isn't cute or politically correct. Barack Obama is a Christian man who was born in the United States. He serves currently as a Senator and is in no way a terrorist. If he wasn't born in the US, he couldn't be running for president.Secondly, we are in a gross debt BECAUSE of Bush Jr which is why taxes MUST be raised on certain things in the beginning (such as OIL and ARMS that the republicans are getting rich off of through conflict - such as Iraq).Hillary is for the little guy, which most democrats are. There are so many people who believe welfare and medicare and things of that nature should be abolished. People NEED the help. There are no Americans really suffering who pay taxes. The ones who are suffering is where the tax money is going to. Universal health care would increase taxes but you would no longer have to pay a fee for medical treatment. You HAVE to look at the big picture and realize universal health care solves for biased medicine. My mother is a doctor and still supports Clinton. No person shall be denied medical treatment based on finances - THAT'S A GOOD THING.Hillary Clinton is in no way Karl Marx nor does she support full on Marxism. She supports socialism which is similar to communism but less restricting. There will ALWAYS be a class struggle, but with a republican in office only the rich will get richer. Our country was founded on the ideal of economic opportunity. The working class SHOULD be the class in charge NOT the minority 200,000$+ a year.There has NEVER been a Marxist nation and in no way does Hillary plan to turn our country into a Marxist state. She is taking a few main ideals and changing the political and socio-economic shape of our nation for the better.Don't tell me to grow up and start paying taxes,you don't have to be old to understand things, nor do you have to be well aged to have an opinion.And as far as all the mudslinging goes, calling Bill and Hillary evil isn't an argument, its just a pathetic attempt to stray away from the issues. Furthermore, Muslims are NOT bad people and not trusting them based on 9/11 is nothing more that stereotypical and border line racist. Everyone is free to choose their religion and there is NOTHING wrong with choosing Islam.

Cuba ISN'T a Marxist nation. It is a dictatorship. It is CORRUPT communism. Communism isn't bad until one man rises to power then it can no longer be called communist... it's totalitarian, it's fascist, it's a dictatorship.You brush off my beliefs because I'm a child.But that isn't fair.I have given every one of your points a fair chance and told you why I don't agree with them. You don't challenge any of them you just say I need to grow up.I understand you live in the medical field, but I've been around the medical field all my life. That doesn't match your experience but it does give me some insight. I've seen men and women pay their way to a new heart or better treatment.Treatment should be equal to everyone. The ones who need it most should get it first.Our health care is corrupt and failing.WE NEED A CHANGE IN OUR NATIONWe need someone to whip us back into shape and form our nation back into something usable.No countries respect us. We have overstretched our military and left ourselves open. We have destroyed the dollar and are in debt to countries we should never be in debt to.This is why we need change. This is why we must elect someone who isn't just like George Bush. It's time for a change. Everyone is saying it. Don't picture me as a 16 year old, but as a person.I believe in equal rights for each and every person no matter race, religion, sex, or status. Not every Islam is a terrorists, just like not every black man is a gangster or every white man is a supremacist. Not every woman is weak. You may be financially secure, but others aren't. That's why we need welfare. You may be in top physical condition, others aren't. So we need disability. We need more affordable housing. We need a lot of things. Those things WON'T get done with a republican in office.I have family in New York. I understand the fear, but don't stereotype. It won't get you anywhere.

Sigh,Just because I wasn't alive doesn't mean I don't know about these things.First of all, most of those African countries were colonized by European states (bad) and then when they pulled out the nations were thrust into a state of civil war because the government became absent. That had nothing to do with communism.Secondly, Stalin-Lenin based their ideas off the communist manifesto (written by Marx) but did extra too. They horded money and annexed surrounding countries. They were bullies. So were the Germans to Austria and Poland. GERMANY WAS NEVER COMMUNIST, it was a dictatorship pretending to be communist. Yes, they killed millions of people and it was terrible but that wasn't the government. That was the crazed ways of Adolf. Communism is about equality for all. Now that Mao is dead communist China isn't too bad off. They a powerful military and economy and most of the people I talk to from China say it wasn't too bad.And let me say again, SOCIALISM ISN'T COMMUNISM. They are similar, but socialism isn't as extreme.We'll still have our 20 brands of chips and condoms and cell phones.Communism doesn't work when it becomes a dictatorship, when a group of people become greedy and manipulate into something that isn't communism any longer.I plan to be in politics, and I won't accept bribes or anything dirty. I am sure of it.

I believe he is dreaming about that utopian society where human nature will cast off greed and evil.. Dream on.

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Hillary has great ideas for universal health care (which Australia and Canada already have), a good foreign policy (get the fuck out of Iraq), and plans for a socialist economy (LOOK AT CHINA'S GDP AND TELL ME THAT WE DON'T WANT A SOCIALIST ECONOMY)

If you look at Canada's Healthcare, although free and universal, it is way below standard. MRI machines, for example, in the USA are 14 per 100 patients. In Canada, it's 13 per thousand.

I think everyone can agree the government is too slow, too bureaucratic, and too nearsighted to know how to run healthcare. Canada even shows that. Controlling insurance will control costs...but the price of lower cost is sub-par service.

Foreign Policy isn't consistent of "Iraq: Yes or No?" Foreign Policy also is about treatment and relations with nations that are friendly, neutral, and enemies. It's about controlling ourselves between factions of allies who dislike one another, as well as hundreds of other variables. {Iraq, Yes or No} is a small question compared to the hundreds Hillary doesn't think about.

China's GDP: With 4 times our size in population and massive foreign outsourcing, as well as private interests: China's surge in growth wasn't due to Socialist practices, it was due to Private enterprise's capitalization of cheap labor. You can't just say "China = socialist :D". Sorry, but you have to look at the facts, not some random generalization.

The last thing the US needs is a socialist economy, look at the Boch the Government is doing on the housing market.

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Ron Paul is ridiculous. Let me tell you why - he wants to go back to the gold standard, he supports children and arms, he wants to cut ALL taxes, he voted AGAINST the clean air act and the desegregation bill in the 60s (I think thats the right time period), and he has less the one percent of the popular.

Gold standard: I apologize, but maybe you never took entry level economics, but gold standard halts inflation. Perhaps not the most viable option, but realize this as well: the president doesn't do SHIT. President doesn't make laws, he doesn't tell what can happen, or do ANYTHING. Sorry buddy, but Congress has to do that, and they won't, so really, that arguement holds no value.

Cut all Taxes: Wrong, do your research. If you could read, you'd know he says "INCOME taxes" In fact, he supports taxes on other areas such as tarrifs, exports, inheritance, etc. Fact about abolishing income tax: The government's income would be lowered to 1995 levels. Translation: if we get rid of taxes, the government loses So much money, it's like the Clinton Years again! (Note: that means it isn't much)

Desegregation: He voted against it not because he didn't agree with it. Be thought STATES should decide on that. That isn't disagreement. It's allowing GRASS Roots government (LIKE YOU) decide what you want instead of some dumbass in Washington.

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Research EVERYTHING, not just what you WANT TO HEAR.

He has a point, Soviet Communism isn't true Communism. Intellectually, there has never been a true Communist state.However, it is proven Communism can never be, regardless how much one strives for it.

I agree that communism cannot work.Because there will always be corruption.It looks great on paper but is flawed because of human greedI AGREE.But again, socialism is communism lite. And Hillary's proposed socialism is socialism lite. In no way does it match up to Marxism.We basically ran East Germany, because we didn't trust themAnd as far as Cambodia and many other sub-Saharan countries, they stay in conflict because of us. Conflict starts because of cultural differences based on lines drawn at the Berlin Conference, but we keep the conflict going by fueling both sides with weapons and making money off it.The death has nothing to do with the government.

Thanks for that contribution, it was really constructive.

But to say,
yes, the government does kill its citizens in many cases
but where do you think they get their small arms from?

US arms makers. We are the number one exporter of arms in the world. We sell weapons cheap and fuel the conflict.

So by proxy, we kill them.

Well,I do agree with what you're saying.The problem lies in the insurance companies that are profiteering because they can. High insurance rates and low coverage make most of the agencies robbers.I'm not saying that they are all bad, but most are and most don't work well (like medicare).Hillary wants the right thing, and maybe government isn't the way to handle it, but it is an option.

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