Ok i've been reading alot about Psychedelic drugs. They include DMT, shrooms, Salvia... not LSD. Are there any permanent mental effects... like damaging your brain, that will make you perform worse at the things you do(talking, learning, moving), even in moderate doses. All i can find is that these drugs can have a chance of making you have a "bad trip" that will really scare you or u can hurt ur self because ur unware of your environment.
It's known that hallucinogens will cause permanent changes in the brain. Apart from flashbacks, not much seems to be known about the effects of those permanent changes.
From working with offenders; I've seen former long-term users of psychedelic drugs in a permanent daze, they're constantly spaced out, and they have a hard time defining reality from fantasy.
I wonder how many schizophrenics mess with drugs in an attempt to self-medicate themselves, and that they were just as dysfunctional before they started using drugs.
Good point, Steve; most of the mentally ill offenders I have seen usually look towards more 'mellowing' drugs; or just drink themselves stupid. They want drugs that will detach them completely from their emotions, instead of looking to INCREASE the amount of things they see and hear.Anyways...There have been enough burn-out offenders (and I've read through their case files) that had similar life patterns as other non- drug-abusing offenders and law-abiding citizens. No doubt the majority of them are dysfunctional (emotionally) but the drugs have caused permanent damage far beyond what they started out with.
One of my uncles is schizophrenic and manic-depressent and he dabbled in crap like that as a young adult and continued with it until his later 30s. The poor man is now in his mid 50s and can barely take care of himself because in his mind he's stuck somewhere between reality and fantasy. Just seeing how much worse drugs has made his mental health is enough to make you sick.
It's possible that the drugs had a bad effect, but it's hard to say how much of it was caused by the drugs and how much was caused by progression of the schizophrenia. It's likely, though, that drugs affect different people differently; someone who's schizophrenic (or near-schizophrenic) may be more seriously affected by things like hallucinogens.There is pretty good evidence that someone who's at the edge of schizophrenia can be pushed over the edge by taking hallucinogens. Taking LSD is a bit of a crap shoot.
Is there any damages from one time use or a few times use. The next one few months after the previous one. Im considering trying them... i DO NOT want to be a long time user for these drugs.
I can't put a number on the risk, but there is some risk.
This is just fucking stupid.
I dont want to be a long term user !
Who the fuck does?
do you think any junkie ever thaought yeah man, thats it Im gonna waste my fucking life and get hung up on shit that will cost me my money, my friends and family and my life !
Noone ever started out to be a washed up fucking piece of shit with no life. Noone thought it would happen to them.
Trust me on this one, I did all the drugs, I had my share and your share and atleast 50% of the regular users shares on this board.
It didnt happen to me ! I didn get hooked !
Im fine !
No worries bubba.
It took me a long fucking time to get off the shit, coming down sucked ass, When your sober and over the intense fucking want for those substances, it really wasnt even all that fucking fun or felt very good.
I did alot of acid adn shrooms, pcp, fucing mae it I took it.
looking back it relaly wasnt a great time in my life and if I had to rate it it was prolly the lowest part of my life I ever had.
I started in high school. I shoudl of been out having a good time, banging every girl I could talk my way into her panties, enjoying the last part of youtr life that has no responsability before becoming a fucking adult.
Instead I blew it on drugs adn more drugs. I more than likely shaved 20 years off my life. I spent a great deal of time sicker than fuck, nearly died more than once and woke up naked, lost and broke and beaten more than once in strange places. I dont mena like the closet, I mean like 50 miles from home, naked, sick and in a fucking car in a junkyard.
Noone thinks its gonna be them but it has to be someone. Not everyone is capable of making a recovery either, Im one of a lucky fe who were able to break the shit off, not having destroyed so much of my brain that I cant live a pretty normal life now. More often than not people fucking die or they get clean but they are worthless pieces of shit, brain damaged beyond the point of taking care of themselves, some not even knowing whats real and whats a paranoid delusion.
I havent had a acid flashback in a long time now, but its still in me, it still can come back in a matter of seconds I can be frying my ass off and not knwo whats real and whats bullshit. it changes perception, it opens osme doors, are they really doors you want to walk through though?
The fact that it alters your perception means its altering yuor brain, just how much? some shti does massive damage, some does minor. Alot fo what ti does depends on your genetic make up. I know people that took one hit one time of some acid, that was in the late 80s, they fuckers are still flying, still frying, never to come down, in a fucking nursing home shitting themselves and having a nurse wipe the drool from thier chin.
Im all for legalization fo some shit. I still enjoy smokin a fatty here and there. and I speak from experience, stay the fuck awya from the fucking other shit, no coccain, no acid, shroms I may yet enjoy a few more times, but I cant say I advocate them for anyones use. savadoria I never tried, I cant speak on that but the fact it alters your brain cant be a good thing.
The real question is one you have to ask yourself.
What makes you so fucking special that you think your not going to end up like a few thousand people a year do and becoming a junkie on the first try ?
What makes you think your not gonna die from a ovedose?
what overdoses one person may not even get another one a buzz, there is no way to know wha tthe effects of a given amount of a substance is going to do to you vs some one else so what maks you think yuor so fucking special that your going to be the one thats just fine after it?
That is probably the best, most personal post I've seen in ages; very well said Grvtykllr.
It seems to me that the point of this site is to share what you know and have been through to further the good of those who havent experienced it yet.Drugs are an area that I once excelled at, atleast at taking them.All the damage I did can be made even if one person reads the shit and learns from it, for each one after that that does so, Im ahead of the game.People shouldnt have to go through the same shti over and over if theycan learn from those that came before them.I have a strong personal distaste for drugs, that hatred grew from my own abuse of them, and doubled when i had kids of my own, it doubled again as my kids have rached an age where they are exposed to them and offered them in school.Id hope that anyone that knows what they are talking about would drop my kids a fucking hint if they asked them a question about a drug and its effects, I try to do the same for anyone elses kids that may stumble on this.Everyone thinks its not going to happen to them, its the rational for jay walking, not wearing seat belts and fucking around with powerful shit that you put in yuor body for fun. Its always going to be someone that has the negative happen to them, it cant always be the other guy.In summary, walk with the light and sue crosswalks, wear your setbelt, dont do drugs.Smoke a fatty here and there Im all for that but even at that dont make it a constant habit.
sue crosswalks?? Holy fuck I rally REALLY gotta learn to type...
Knowing what I meant doesnt excuse my piss poor typing skills.I think it stems from broken fingers.my middle finger on my right hand has a nearly 30 degree bend sideways from being broken and set shitty. All my fingers have been broken, at various knuckles and in between the knuckles as well, that is the most prominantly disfigured one though, not only does it bend fucked up to teh side but it allso rolls to the right as well, till yuo get to the last knuckle, then it bends back to the left a bit but still rolls right. i swear I can type by touch, i dont need to look at the keyboard, maybe if I stopped watching tv while I type it would help. Or maybe if i just slowed down. Im pretty decent at about 40 words per minute, but when I type shit out of my head I type more like 85 or 90 a minute and fuck up alot. I suppose I could start using spell checker, I did for a bit and my posts were pretty decent, Im jsut too lazy to do it unless its work.See ? I currently see jsut instead of just right above this sentance and Im too lazy to go fix it but Ill type out a whole fucking paragraph about it that takes 5 times as long as fixing it would of.
I think Fire-Fox comes with a built in spell checker; it helps me catch basic speulling erros befour I post my messiages.
Version 2 comes with it built-in. I used it for a while, and that feature was great, although the dictionary isn't nearly as good as the one built into Microsoft Office.Ironically, I am now using Safari, which has no spell checker, although there is one built into OS X. There has to be a way to make it work in Safari....but I haven't figured it out...so sorry for the typos.