Ohio's rules getting out of hand for schools!

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Recently, a law in ohio was passed that literally forces teachers to put up a poster that says "In god we trust" and under two flags (the nations flag and the state flag) it says something like "With god anything can happen".That literally pissed me off. Why? It's not only crossing the line of "Seperation of church and state" and its disrespecting others who don't believe catholic-stuff. Seeing as my art teacher is pretty laid back he let us basically put some little fixes to the poster. Sharpied some S's after where it says God and all that Jazz.To top it all off my friend wrote on the board "Its like having this in every church" ---> (and it pointed to ) "We came from monkeys". I couldn't help myself so I printed out Raptor Jesus (from urbandictionary.com ) and under it wrote "Wheres your god Now?"Did my friends and I go out of hand to state our point in one classroom?

that was pretty rude and unncessary but like Helms said. whaddya gonna do?

I personally think that this is great.

Is such a law constitutional? Is it being challenged?

One year, my high School was having a Christmas bash, no Star of Davids, no Menorahs, nothing. I talked to the principal about it, and I asked her Why, and she said "Well, Honey, I think you and Ol' Saul are the only Jewish people at the school" "His name is Shalam" "You get my point though." I proceded to make a 20ft tall Star of David with the help of my boyfriend at the time, and screwed it into front of the school.I think what you did was fine. You shouldn't have something like God Shoved down your throat, end of story, especially that.

i find that whole "shoved down your throat" phrase to be oddly hilarious. just say it to yourself and listen. I always think of someone literally shoving something down someone else's throat lol. people tend to love this phrase though.

One conservative radio commentator here some years ago, about a proposed nude beach, said on air "People don't want to have male genitalia shoved down their throats".

What law is this? I live in Ohio and have two children in public school, and have never heard of such a thing.What you did was vandalism, and vandalism is breaking the law.

Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43What law is this? I live in Ohio and have two children in public school, and have never heard of such a thing.What you did was vandalism, and vandalism is breaking the law. I'm with Lish on this I live in Ohio too and never heard of this law. Granted I have no kids but I have friends and family members who do and it's never been brought up.And I think you did take it too far.

(Not at you Eddie) Actually, I just found this: Quote:Ohio Law Approves Posting State Motto in Schools, Invoking God (Ohio) • On May 26, 2006 Religion News Service reported, "When Ohio public school students return to class this fall, they could see a prominent new name among the student body -- God. The state General Assembly this week passed a bill that would require public schools to post donated copies of the U.S. or Ohio mottoes, each of which contain the word 'God.' House Bill 184 requires the phrases to be framed or printed, 8.5x11 inches, free of any image other than the motto words and the American or Ohio flag, and not paid for at taxpayer expense. Any person or group could donate the mottoes. The national motto is 'In God We Trust;' the state's is 'With God All Things Are Possible.' 'The goal is to make sure that students have a basis to talk about the historical aspects of how this country was founded,' said state Rep. Keith Faber, who sponsored the bill. 'I don't think the mottoes are necessarily religiously based,' the western Ohio Republican said." (May 26, 2006, Religion News Service) http://www.beliefnet.com/story/192/story_19223_1.html I don't think the school is pushing religion on the students though. Like it or not, this is the state motto. And it doesn't give students the right to deface school property.

This isn't directed at you Lisa, just putting it out there...

I personally don't understand how some printed words on a classroom wall is "shoving God down someone's throat." You don't have to read it, you don't have to believe what it says, it's your personal choice to ignore it, so why get all cranky over it? Plus, just because you don't like it doesn't mean you need to get all 'badass' and deface school property... how would you like someone comming to your house and jacking up all your stuff because they didn't like that picture you had hanging in your room?

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Did my friends and I go out of hand to state our point in one classroom?vandalism......not cool.

@ lish ...and the teacher let them and egged on the vandalism. some teacher. yea i know art teachers are laid back and all but still. lettign students vandalism......not a cool dude (or dudette)

You are absolutely right. I agree.

My personal view is that you didn't go too far, and I've a few reasons for this. The most simple of them is that it was an art room. Art is 100% expressive and censorship does not work well with it. You expressed your feelings in a way that could not hurt people more than the original state of the poster could have.

As for the actual motto, this reminds me of the South Park episode where the town flag had racist images of black people being hung but people defended it simply because it was their flag. Even though it may be Ohio's motto, it doesn't change the fact that it is secularist and doesn't belong in a multicultural educational establishment. The motto might as well be "Christians are great!" (Just an example)

Did you vandalise school property? Yes. Was it significant? It's about the same as writing "WILLY" in a bathroom stall. You wrote 2 S's on a poster.

My home is a private area, I don’t have to respect anyone’s feelings, religion, w.e. there.A school is a public area in the sense that not just the school's director goes there, but hundreds of children, dozens of teachers. It would be good if religion was contained inside churches and people's personal property -- out of respect towards those who happen to believe in something else, and towards those who believe in science rather than an alighty entity. It /is/, whether just a motto or an other quote -- and here I have to remind you all that before 1953 it wasn't the motto of the United States --, it is a case of shoving down a god someone's throat. I too would feel offended. And having God in schools is a no-no. Just doesn't belong there. (or then we would have to let in Allah, all the Hindu gods and whoever else you can think of too -- but all that would make for a big mess in the end)

I think the whole thing is ridiculous. Ohio in my oppinion screwed up. This bill should never have even been brought up, let alone passed. The great United States of America is so diverse, that "god" should not be on our currency nor should it be mentioned in the pledge of allegiance and it most certainly should not be anywhere near courts and the government. The seperation of Church and State doesnt exsist anymore and its awful. Hell, in court, doesnt the person on the stand have to swear on the bible? Unless Ohio makes it manditory for the schools to display donated pieces from all religions and cultures, the word "god" should not be displayed. And as far as the "vandalism" goes, Im thinkin it is part of that whole freedom of speach and freedom of expression thing we got goin on. Im pretty sure that just happens to be what this country was founded for. Freedom. And de-facing something like that in a very public place is very different than having someone enter your PRIVATE residence and destroy your personal belongings. Incredibly different.

Originally Posted By: pinkranger4I personally think that this is great. And why do you think that this is great?

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfAnd I think you did take it too far. How did he take it too far? You make it sound like he killed a priest in his protest.

(not directed at you Remis, just a general statement)I am going to get tons of slack for saying this, so I am already prepared.I am going to say this nicely so not to offend (though I am sure I will anyways) but something like 83-86% of the USA claim to be Christian. Basically what some people in this thread are saying is that religion should be stripped from all aspects of society except the Church. But I have to ask why should the majority (in this case) cater to the minority? How is it fair that the 86% of the country have to go without just to appease the remaining 14%? And yes I understand this can be said about many things in life but lets leave it on the topic of this specific topic of a simple sign stating the state and federal motto.I personally don’t see anything wrong with the law that passed. They are not asking kids to pray or even believe in the religion. They are not forcing it down your throat as if they are making you read it daily and believe it. There are many things in life you are not going to like and you simply need to be mature enough to ignore it and move on. Or would you rather waste your time and energy being pissy and upset all the time? It’s not worth it. And I am not saying this because I am a Christian. I am saying this because I find it ridiculous that people gets so pissed about something that truly is not affecting their life. If we are going to be honest, how is that sign hurting you or effect your personal self? It comes back to it’s not worth getting yourself in a tizzy over something so simple, save it for the important life-altering events.

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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

And I think you did take it too far.

How did he take it too far? You make it sound like he killed a priest in his protest.

Why? He took the state and federal motto's and changed it simply because he could not be the bigger person and ignore it. Not only do I find it distasteful from his standpoint but even more so for the teacher letting the student deface the property. And I don't say this because of the religious point of the messages; it's all in general. To deface anything simply for him self-gratification is distasteful.