My babies daddy....

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He he.. I SO wanna plow him. But I gotta let my kid have the reigns. She will double up her own fist one day (she has done it before to plenty of others) and lay his ass out. For now I will give her credit, she is trying to stay peaceful long enough to get her Grandpa where he is supposed to go, and the jerk, and his sister have the ashes...When Grandpa is where he is supposed to be, I bet she is done with them all.

Congradulations. I think you have really done something wonderful. Your daughter knew the man. She knew he didn't amount to shit. So she treated him accordingly.You let your daughter handle it. There is alot to be said about that as a parent.As to the violence mentioned by others. Yes I'm something of a fan of violence myself.. but, if your familier with japanese culture.. there are alot of suicides due to bullying.. and in the bullying they never swing a single fist.. They just ignore a person. Sooner or later.. the person kills themself.

Oh IT JUST GOT A WHOLE LOT BETTER!!!!!!Her dad's sister, contacted her on myspace...My daughter asked HER when they were gonna go do the ashes...Daugher:we're going up to spi rock this auguest? its been almost 3 years and grandpa didnt want to be stuck into a box. Aunt:o well. tell pam to quit buttn in!!! I will do when i'm ready! drop it!!!!!!!!!! Daughter:grandma has nothing do do with it! Its all me talking. if grandma has a complaint than she would take it up with you herself, she is grown up. stop assuming all things to do with grandpa, grandma is a part of. I'M THE ONE WHO IS BRINGING IT UP. I'M THE ONE WHO WANTS GRANDPA TO BE PUT WHERE HE WANTS TO BE. I'M THE ONE WHO CARES APPERINTLY. i'm sorry but i cant beleave your just going to let him sit in a box and get dusty LIKE HE DIDNT WANT TO HAPPEN. really how much do you cair about him? if you caired then you would do what he wants. i'm sorry but that makes me sic to my stumic. ohh. :0!! wow. i just dont know what to say. I love him so much and all i want is for him to get what he wants. Aunt:guess what girly dont talk to me that way EVER U GOT IT PAM SUCKS ASS SHES A big fat bitch SHE WILL NEVER B PART OF THIS SHE FUCKN KILLED HIM OFF. I WILL KEEP my DAD FOR HOWEVER I WANT SO KEEP DREAMN YES, I CARED HES MY DAD MORE THEN I CAN SAY ABOUT HOW YOU TREAT YOUR DAD LIKE SHIT U HAVE TURNED OUT TO B SUCH A BRAT JUST LIKE PAM AND YOUR MOTHER Daughter:(forward to me)i'm done with her ma. Me:(responding to daughter)names changed to protect the innocentWell *Daughter, you know, Kharma is the sweetist bitch you will ever know. You did nothing wrong, you stood up for what YOU beleive, and you did it on your own. You know that and I know that. So does everyone who actually spent the time to get to know you. I am VERY proud of you. So is everyone else who knows you. As far as I am concerned, you did the right thing. It is what Grandpa wanted. Don't worry about her saying Pam killed him. He killed himself using drugs all those years ago. (As I don't think he got the hep from a transfusion). Either way though, Pam didn't do it. Something in his life LONG before Pam killed him. You got to know your grandpa when he actually had his poop in a group. REMEMBER, your grandpa was stubborn, even after he knew something was wrong Pam had to force him to the doc's. He would have died sooner if she weren't there. As far as everyone thinking Pam and I are bitches...It's ok, if raising a beautiful daughter who does well in school, and has lots of people who love her, and is gonna be successful is being a bitch, then that is a badge I WANT to wear. Also, you haven't done a damn thing wrong to your dad. He (nor anyone from that family) has made any sort of outstanding effort to know you. You know that. Everytime you have wanted to call, you got to, when we go to Willits, it's you who finds him. He never comes to see you. Hell, the last trip to Redding was 2 years ago, and then it wasn't even to see you it was over this bullshit with *grandpa. Remember, they are supposed to be the adults. THEY should be seaking YOU out. And now, you wanted to know them, you know who and what your dealing with. I love you, and I am glad you figured it out on your own. Then, he gets the invite to your graduation. Nice of you. But, he only seinds $20 bucks to help?? What, was your grad gift/birthday gift all wrapped up in that? You knwo what we spent on it. It's ok though, YOU WERE BEAUTIFUL! And I was VERY proud to see you that day, and know that you are the wonderful girl I raised. Don't let them make you feel guilty, as THEY are supposed to be the grown ups, and THEY are supposed to protect you, like your grandpa, grandma and I did all these years. They aren't supposed to make you cry, they aren't supposed to put their needs first. Your supposed to be a kid. And you are a great one! You know how angry I was when *father made you cry on your birthday. You know how angry I was when he bitched at YOU for not calling HIM. Yet, I let you make your own descissions, and you have handled it quite gracefully. I SO wanted to butt in, and I SO wanted to not bite my lip. But I did. I am glad that your learning who/what these people are without my input. (Though now you got some)...All I have ever said all these years, is "there is a reason I divorced him" "there's reasons I don't call them"... Now, you see, and now you come to me with your mess, and your sortin' it out like a champ! If you want to know, ask. I think your gettin old enough that I don't have to protect them anymore. It WILL be ok. You have a family who would give their lives for you, honestly, the other side (besides your grandpa *** and grandma Pam) doesn't really matter, they have been SO non existant, that you shouldn't even miss them. It sucks sometimes to stand up for what you beleive in, but when you do, you sort out the wheat from the chaff...And baby, your all wheat! In case you don't know what the chaff is, I found this for you at dictionary.com...I personally like #3. chaff= Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[chaf, chahf] –noun 1. the husks of grains and grasses that are separated during threshing. 2. straw cut up for fodder. 3. worthless matter; refuse. 4. the membranous, usually dry, brittle bracts of the flowers of certain plants. 5. Also called window. Military. strips of metal foil dropped by an aircraft to confuse enemy radar by creating false blips. As far as Grandpa's ashes go, if you wanna push it at your dad, you know I got your back. If not, ok too. Just remember, he isn't REALLY in those ashes anymore, he walks with you everyday. The sad thing is, the dead can't speak for themselves, but those ashes belonged (belong) to Grandpa, Kharma will take care of it for him. Now, for MY response to that waiste of LOTS of skin's letter.... "guess what girly dont talk to me that way EVER" You can talk to her how ever you need. No cursing, and only speak from your heart, you have a good one. People only react so badly when there is a grain of truth, and the truth hurts. "U GOT IT PAM SUCKS ASS SHES A big fat bitch" U know better. And if *aunt gave a rats ass about YOU she wouldn't talk to you like that about your grandma. (Your dad wouldn't have made you cry on your birthday by doing the same thing). Also, WHO is fat? "SHE WILL NEVER B PART OF THIS " She was already part of the best part. HIS LIFE! Your grandpa loved her, or he wouldn't have been with her. Trust me, your grandma knows that. "I WILL KEEP my DAD FOR HOWEVER I WANT SO KEEP DREAMN" She doesn't have him. He is in heaven or where ever shaking his head in shame at her for holding his bones hostage. You grandpa knows it isn't you. (PS, keep dreamin, he will show up more often..lol, remember those dreams, are him stopping by to visit you!) "YES, I CARED HES MY DAD " Notice she "CARED" not cares. She cared when she could get $ or what ever out of him....She is just being selfish because SHE isn't ready to let go. Narcissism sucks ass, but that is what it is. "HOW YOU TREAT YOUR DAD LIKE SHIT" Huh? He bailed on you at 3 months. I had to FIGHT to get support for you. He hasn't came to visit in 2 or 3 years until your graduation. You give up time during visits to other people to see him....F that. Your not doing a DAMN thing wrong. Just because, they don't like me, and none of em has balls to face me. It sure as heck isn't your fault.They need to be the grown ups and come see you. "U HAVE TURNED OUT TO B SUCH A BRAT JUST LIKE PAM AND YOUR MOTHER" I reiterate. So many love you, so many care, your pretty, your smart, you have a true heart of gold. If that is being a brat...Wear the badge proudly! Love ya baby, Stay strong. You can do it! Oh yeah, don't forget my sig..... "be who you are, and say what you feel, 'cause people who matter don't mind, and people who mind, don't matter" Theodore Geisel... PS...Kharma already knew. She gave *aunt one hell of a birthday present. Grandpa was gone about 2 days before her birthday....Trust that everything happens for a reason.

WoW.. just.. wow.. I can't believe how she has acted towards your daughter! I do believe there are two sides to every story.. but in no way would she ever deserve to be spoken to or treated like that. How bitchy can you get! I'd have to rip shreds out of her for talking to anyone I loved like that.. I just couldn't let it lie.Your response to your daughter reminds me so very much of my mom.. it's calm, collected and reassuring. I can't offer any advice because, again, I've never been in the situation and I couldn't contemplate it. I had to comment because I was so shocked at the way an "adult" behaved!

Well, I am taking a trip down to her fathers, and either he is gonna be part of the solution, or he is part of the problem and I am FIXIN' THIS PROBLEM!!! It is his LAST chance in my book. My kiddo is done with how cold and cruel they are. She forewarded that letter from me to her aunt. Along with some other stuff of her own. And let her know that she was done with it...So, now the dad is either gonna step up to the plate, or I am kickin' his butt! AND I doubt he will see my kiddo for years to come. IDK, I am just worried, that if I interfere too bad, she will be too protected. But this is f-ed up!

actually I laughed while reading the letters.the aunt is a stupid twat, the father is a pice of shit who shit on his daughters years ago, she should treat him the way she does. stay with people that care about you and show that, not those that say it and go out of thier way to prove they dont.the aunt though makes me laugh, what a cunt.You can tell her that Chance said shes a twat adn to shut the fuck up and stop breathing all my fucking air.

LOL, what is funny is how PISSED I am at her immaturity! I SO wanna kick her ass...And to me, that is a bit of immaturity for me.

My guy don't want me to go down there, he is afraid he'll have to get me outta the pokey...

I won't do anything that stupid, I never throw the 1st punch, but I make sure I throw the last...

Friggin jerks...

let me educate you in the law of the US.assualt isa simple threat, a verbal bit of abuse with a Ill kick your ass thrown in is assault, assault and battery is hitting someone.self defense is applie dwhen your in fear for yourself and fight back after being assaulted.The most important thing I can say to you is something my dad told me when I was a small childrens The one who gets there the firstest with the mostest normally wins.I dont let anyone hit me first, a push a shove, a Ill kick your ass is all it takes for me to explode.now remember that 80% of the world is right handed, and people watch that right hand when it comes to violence.I like to toss a right hand just up, or pull it back, and they always look at it, then I hit the fucker with a left jab, followed by a left cross and lean into that to make sure the elbow follows the fist into the eye.that normally ends most every fight Iv been in.I worked for a few years developing my left jab and hook and cross.you have to roll the shoulder to follow the jjab with the hook, but when done right it breaks the jaw bone, and then cus the eye from the elbow. its nromally more than most people can take. If they are nto down at tha tpoint Ill actually hit them with a right and punch the fuck bag in the throat. cant breath, you cant fight, then I kick the fuck out of them, stomp on thier head and ribs and knees till they are either unconsious, or bleeding and have to much broken to be a threat anymore.if its some real prick and especially if its at the bar and Iv been drinking I like to take out my dick and piss on them.Noone ever forgets being beaten that bad, then pissed on in full public view. I like to think it teaches them a fucking lesson. Of course that tactic has cost me a few suprise visits in dark parking lots, iv had my skull busted with a bat, a pipe, narrowly missed by bullets that went through my car. I have alot of enemys, enemys are the best ! they keep you sharp

ROTF...well yeah, I meant, I don't "start" it....legally.I've just been SO calm for a few years now...Probably a good thing I am stuck up here in Oregon for another week!!!

Oregon is a hell of a place to be stuck, i wish I was stuck there.
Where at ?
north, near the puget sound? or by portland taking in the view of Mt Hood ?
watching the fog roll in and out of the beaches there in the mornings, laying in teh water feeling it suck the sand from under me in the edge of the waves while drinking some starbucks and flying a kite... Iv had some pretty fucking great times and never considered myself stuck in Oregon.

Stuck. Yes I said stuck..somewhere between Bend and Madras. High desert. No trees. And where there were trees..they cut them down for farming. There isn't a place that isn't running wheele lines....NOTHING Like north Salt lake...Can you say Nevada, only green?I grew up on the coast, if I was on the coastal side, I may never go home...

My dad was kinda like that, probably not that bad. My dad knows what lines not to cross, however he was/is only around when it's convenient for him. but he was never really around enough for me to get to know him, or get emotionally attached to him so i never really cared when he didn't call me for months at a time. I'm sure you're daughter will be more than fine. as for going angry mom on him, some people just are not worth the trouble. although i understand if you cant help it, I'm eighteen, in collage and almost ready to move out, but my mom still bitches at my dad for not showing up when he says he will (and not calling to tell me he's not going to show up), not calling me, and not helping out with stuff. also I'm surprised your daughter told him off. I've never had the guts to be confrontational with my dad, i just kinda ignore him.