School dances sure have changed.

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I never had dances like this when I was a kid.
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Nor I. The local schools here have been introducing formalities like débutantes into their school dances, customs quite out of alignment with the informality of modern life. This school has obviously taken a far more realistic approach.

IDK about realistic... but it's pretty disgusting.

holy fuckin freak showis anyone able to pick up on some of the dialog?

Thats rather weird...

Ive never danced like that in my life

Oh hey look it's my old elementary school back at home.

I find that kinda... echkkkk. Of course that's how they're going to be dancing in few years anyway but it's give me the same feeling as I get when looking at the little girl Jon Bennett type beauty pageants. Same thing just a different side of the coin.

Originally Posted By: OldFolksOf course that's how they're going to be dancing in few years anyway You really think that?.. I doubt it. It seems to be a lax cultural thing going on here (where ever it is). I'll bet they have a very high rate of young teen pregnancies and resulting poverty.

As teens and young adults you don't think they will be dancing in some similarly lewd fashion?I think the dancing here is symptomatic of a problem that has come to pervade all of society, that is the earlier and earlier sexualization of children. Be that by entering little girls in pageants and dressing them like miniature street walkers, pushing boys to be "macho," "players" and thus compete for sexual attention, or in this case provocative dancing, that in my opinion is as age inappropriate as many other activities. I go and work out each day after work and, god help me, the girl who is in charge of the place in the evenings always has on Hanna Montana, The Wizards of Waverly Place or some other teenage type (made for teens) soap opera thing that comes on ABC Family (note Family there). She's 17 or 18, by the way, and has this shit blaring so she can hear it over the exercise equipment. I want to shoot out the TV. I don't know which kids show it was in, but in one of those three I noticed within less than five minutes the phrase "sleep with" was repeated some thirty times. And believe me when I say I'm being conservative saying thirty times. And these are shows that in my estimation are produced for 10 to 12 year old girls. Most of my wife's first grade girls don't miss them anyway, or so my wife says.This is just an anecdote for which my intention is to show that this isn't just a problem isolated to small parts of our youth, be they these kids or beauty pageant girls. It is a problem that has become deeply ingrained in all of society.When society moved from admiring stable adulthood to worshiping youth is when I believe the problem started. As adults began to cut out fun and stimulating interaction in their own lives the only "good" memories became memories to look back on, back at youth. As the drudgery and isolation of adulthood was cemented into society the importances of an "enjoyed" youth became ever increasingly important. It seems that many parents came to, and do, think of adolescence as the pinnacle of existence (via their own lives), and therefore must be pursued with unrelenting effort. Their children must be primed to be popular so that their adolescence is as fulfilling as adulthood is stale. Long and short parents and society pressure their kids to be "macho" or "sexy" to insure some position in some upper echelon of the high school pecking order. And there you go, the ever younger sexualization of children.I remember when I was in the second or third grade we were forced to square dance. Now not only is square dancing ridiculous enough in itself but girls were still icky to me then. I didn't like even that kind of innocuous interaction and wondered then, as I do know, why it was that necessary. We would be horny teens in few years anyway who couldn't wait to dance with each other. What was point in forcing young kids together in a vaguely sexual situation? Is there any wisdom in pushing a kid, such as I was, into such sexual situations when my interest where my little cars and my mud pit and rocks and streams out back? I don't think so but society seems to think otherwise.

Totally agree. Just one question: What social faction is largely in charge of/owns both the public education system and the television broadcasting companies?

intersting take on things. I can't fully agree on all points though.There has certainly been a sexualization of youth over the past 2 generations or so. But there again, there was a significant infantization of adults over the previous couple centuries. Prior to the industrial revolution, teen motherhood was pretty standard. It has been observed by sociologist for years now that western culture has developed delayed or nonexistent adult hoods.that said, the behavior in this video is not normal for today or yesterday. It's weird and still leaves me wishing for some kind of explanation behind the scene.As for the media, well, it is what it is and it only sells what people buy. If we as parents allow any kind of educational void in our children's lives, the TV will fill it.  Quote:What social faction is largely in charge of/owns both the public education system you  Quote:...and the television broadcasting companies rich people

That video is sick. Actually it pisses me off.Those "teachers", workers, or whatever the hell they are should be fired on the spot...at the very least.Whatever rationalization and explanation there might be for kids behaving that way, there is absolutely not excuse or rationalization for adults tolerating it, excusing it, and even - for Pete's sake - participating in it with them!

Originally Posted By: unsupervised Quote:What social faction is largely in charge of/owns both the public education system youHeavily composed of liberals; who not only do the teaching, but control the curriculum as well. At least that's the way it is in this country. Quote: Quote:...and the television broadcasting companies rich peopleRich liberals.

Originally Posted By: thorRich liberals.Like Rupert Murdoch, the biggest liberal of them all!

Just to be clear my response was about the sexualization of pre-pubescent children not teens and pre-teens who are becoming aware and curious of sex themselves. I'm talking about parents who encourage their second grade girls to wear lipstick so they're "pretty" and their first grade boys to be "manly" to "empress the ladies."

>>>"It has been observed by sociologist for years now that western culture has developed delayed or nonexistent adult hoods."

On that, I completely agree with the sociologists, though I may differ on the cause and effects of it. I contend that somewhere along the line mature adulthood became a negative. Immature adults then started living in the glory days of their pasts and forsaking their present. Rather than revel in what they have and where they are they only revel in what they where and what they did. That's a fools endeavor, and so as they have kids and are living through them, making their kids things they're not or things they may not be ready for yet.

All these things I'm talking about, I'm talking about in a societal context. Kids aren't raised in vacuum, so the actions of one parent impart itself on the child of another. A few parents pressuring their kids to be "Ms Popularity" or "Mr Macho" effects the peers of that child as well.

I'm setting aside irresponsible parents for the sake of this discussion... irresponsible as in, "mommy was chasing daddy around with a rocket tied to her..." (yeah that was a real conversation) or "I'm leaving early today so I can see mommy before she has to go to jail." Rather, I'm thinking about "responsible" parents, upstanding member of the community (relative to the community of course), types, mainly because they seem to be the worst about pushing sexualization on their kids. They seem to be the ones who forgo a real life, they seem to be the ones who most try to relive their youth through their kids and they are the ones that have the Disney Channel and such that produces these "kids" shows that their boys, and most especially, their girls are emulating.

I just wish I could tell the parents to get a life and enjoy it. Don't sit at home thinking about days gone by. Don't live through your kid. Be an example for your kid so they will know how to be an adult and how to enjoy it, even when dealing with the shit that life is inevitably going to throw at you. Get up, go biking, go dancing, go out with another couple, go to the movies have a few drinks and pull the stick out of your ass. Quit micro managing your kids and let them be kids.

>>>"It's weird and still leaves me wishing for some kind of explanation behind the scene."

Me as well. "Picture convictions" always remind me of the Calvin & Hobbs where Calvin had Hobbs taking pictures of him with a clean room (he had just shoved the shit out of frame) and with him holding a bat and glove (instead of his usual mask and Calvin ball) so that he could later in life show what a well adjusted, picturesque child he was. Without context any situation can be construed to impart the meaning an editor wishes to convey.

Though it's hard to imagine any rational for this video, for all I know, me being without sound, this could be a ring of daycare kiddie molesters it may not be sanctioned at all by any authority.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorRich liberals.Like Rupert Murdoch, the biggest liberal of them all! The exception that proves the rule.

That aphorism "The exception proves the rule" is almost universally misunderstood. It dates back to when "prove" meant "test" (as it does in the King James Bible). All it means is that an apparent exception is the test of a rule - one must examine it closely to see if it is a real exception, in which case the rule is disproved (in the modern sense), or whether it is not in fact an exception.The idea that a real exception actually "proves" a rule in the modern sense of "prove" is sheer nonsense. It disproves it.

Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.You're a bit behind the times, I'm afraid. The current incarnation of Disney would have old Walt turning over in his grave. Quote:And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet. There are certainly some non-liberal news outlets...but I was speaking of the most influential form of media on the general public: the TV.