Stabbing and Beheading on Greyhound

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But.. Tim IS just some guy for an overwhelming majority of people. I'm not saying his death wasn't horrific, unfortunate and sad BUT.. his death really doesn't occupy much of my thoughts. If it were someone I knew or was close to, then it would be much different.

its not taking it far in my opinion. but other than that i completely agree with what you posted.

Originally Posted By: HClPETA is saying about the slaughter of animals for food what I was saying about other people. I was saying that the life of a person killed in gang violence is as valuable as that of the guy on on they bus. I don't believe anyone here has stated, or even intimated that this young man's life had any more value than anyone else.If baffles me that you can't understand why this death my affect people more so than a violent death in Iraq. (Or are you just playing devil's advocate?...because he needs more advocates...) For one thing, there has been much news coverage on this one individual person's death. We don't get coverage from Iraq on an individual person's death. We just get overall stories and numbers. Also, as has been stated repeatedly, they way this kid dies was random and totally unexpected. Civilian deaths in a war zone, however tragic and sad, are not entirely random and unexpected. Thirdly, part of the horror of this situation is that it could happen to ME. Most of us are not often in a war zone. But many of us use public transportation regularly.I dunno...I just think that trying to parse out and analyze people's visceral emotional reactions to things like this is pointless.

everything you just said is spot on, Damien.

Originally Posted By: StephieJI guess when the next person makes a thread about one of their family members dieing.. Ill just laugh it up and go off topic.  Originally Posted By: ashley69dont you realize that if they dont know the person, and/or are related to them, they can make any rude comment they want and not feel guilty?What rude comments are you talking about? Who laughed at this subject?No one ever argued that this isn't a sad event. Everyone agrees that this was a horrible tragedy.So what more do you two want?It doesn't make us horrible, rude, disgusting people if everyone else moves on or don't feel as strongly as you seem. Everyone feels like you do for Tim, but you two are biting our heads off for some reason. Is it because we aren't still in mourning or taking it more personally like you?Seriously ladies, get a grip and move on with your lives. Even the dead wouldn't want you to feel sad forever.

lol oooookay then. i think we can both feel however we want to. the reason i got pissed off is because people were cracking jokes on here. but you know what? its done now, so why are mine and stephs posts still being picked apart? =/

Because you're insulting us?I think people would have treated the subject more solemnly were it about someone we knew. I am sure that no sociopaths posted to this thread, and everyone is shocked and feels bad about what happened to the victim, and its impact on the people around him. But most of us are not going to go into a sustained mourning over it, any more than we would over the brutal murder of any other random person.Einstein said that it wasn't wise to keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. This is the sort of thing that always happens on this and similar boards on the Web. You're getting upset because what one would expect to happen does happen. Most threads go off topic after a couple of days.

When you and Steph make sly remarks like how our mother's didn't raise us properly or not caring about the death of strangers makes us look like the bad guy, then how can you be surprised?

You're right, you can feel however you like. I think everyone else and myself have the same right. If you want me to be more honest, all it is is just bad news. And if feeling that way makes me look like a heartless person, then so be it. I must be a terrible person for not taking this so personally, but I can live with that.

As for the jokes, that's all they were, just jokes. No one meant any harm or disrespect for the dead. People apologized, time to move on.

Originally Posted By: ashley69dont you realize that if they dont know the person, and/or are related to them, they can make any rude comment they want and not feel guilty? get with it girl!!! None of us knew Tim in person, but I guess that means we dont have to be considerate of other people who knew him/are affected by this.Most everyone is someone's friend or relative. If you go to the obituary page of the newspaper, do you feel equally as bad about each death that's not of an old person, but is caused by violence or a fatal disease?The question is , why does his death move you so much more that any number of violent deaths that happen every day? Read the news from any large American city. On the average, people are murdered every day in each city. Originally Posted By: damienFor one thing, there has been much news coverage on this one individual person's death.Well there you go. By giving a subject a lot of coverage, the media manipulates you into caring more.You can feel how you want to feel. Everyone feels bad about the guy's death, but most of us are not going to have an extended mourning period for him. For the people who do want to, it's fine. They are free to.But at some point (maybe now it's too soon?), it's fair to ask what motivates people to feel what they feel. Or is that topic off the table, because it's not nice?Damien, the death of civilians in Iraq are not the only example I used. Step away from the debate for a second. You know what I mean. I've said it pretty clearly. People are dying in violent ways all over, every day. Or are you declaring the rough areas of New York, Los Angeles, Detroit, etc. as war zones, where you'd expect people to be killed? If you don't believe me, search the news.I've noticed that different people who die in similar violent ways get different amounts of coverage, anything from a brief mention in the newspaper to days of coverage on the local news.I understand that a decapitation is brutal and disgusting, but the victim of it is no more dead and probably didn't suffer more than any number of people who were shot dead in the U.S. this month alone.It's an interesting question, why the visceral response to this guy's death, isn't it? I mean, this isn't then Solemn Mourning forum.

umm ME and steph made those remarks about your mothers not raising you properly? -I- didnt say that. steph did. so dont blame me for what someone else said =/

you guys are the ones making a big deal out of something here. i said already it was done. so why cant you two just chill out picking at me and steph for feeling like we do? jesus.

its the same thing as if you felt strongly about a subject, and people weren't taking the topic seriously. if you dont feel as strongly about it, then dont post in it. theres been plenty of topics that i stayed out of, because i simply didnt feel strong about it. so why come on here, and say things that are clearly not wanted in a thread, then when the people who take the topic seriously get upset, you pick their posts apart and start arguements?

Maybe this topic should just get locked because obviously some people just want to keep picking :frowning:

I dont know why this topic moves me so much, but it does. i feel equally bad about everyones death. its just not something people can joke about around me. ive been affected with this shit way too much in my life. so maybe thats why i take it to heart.

Originally Posted By: ashley69

umm ME and steph made those remarks about your mothers not raising you properly? -I- didnt say that. steph did. so dont blame me for what someone else said =/
I never did.

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so why come on here, and say things that are clearly not wanted in a thread, then when the people who take the topic seriously get upset, you pick their posts apart and start arguements?
Clearly unwanted? Sorry, but I sometimes I have a hard time censoring my honesty.

This is directed to everyone:Please have some respect for me and others who find this topic close to their heart. This is something that affects me greatly. If you want to go offtopic and argue, please create a new thread.I am hoping you have enough respect to stop your off topic discussions in this thread.

Quote:When you and Steph make sly remarks like how our mother's didn't raise us properly or not caring about the death of strangers makes us look like the bad guy, then how can you be surprised? yeah you did.

Quote:People apologizedyea. a while ago.

I know they apologized, thats why i said for them to just move on, but they insist on replying anyways. so meh. I'm done with this thread if this keeps happening anyways.

Sigh, you misunderstood what I wrote.
I know what Steph said. You, on the other hand, suggested people don't care about the deaths of strangers and thus, have an excuse to be "rude". I was referring to...
Originally Posted By: ashley69
dont you realize that if they dont know the person, and/or are related to them, they can make any rude comment they want and not feel guilty?
That is why I said...
Originally Posted By: Virtual\_Star
When you **and** Steph make sly remarks like how our mother's didn't raise us properly **or not caring about the death of strangers makes us look like the bad guy**, then how can you be surprised?

Different people have different ways of reacting to tragedy, at different times, and in different context. Just because they don't react the way you react doesn't mean that they're disrespectful, and just because they don't react the way StephieJ reacts doesn't mean their parents did a crappy job raising them.

The Irish have wakes for their dead. Is that custom disrespectful?

PLEASE stop argueing in this thread.

Update: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st...?hub=TopStories

This is so messed up! Can you believe this people will REALLY be protesting at his funeral?!

"The daughter of the founder of the Westboro Baptist Church, based in Topeka, Ka., told CTV.ca she and several other church members will go to Winnipeg on Saturday to demonstrate against what she described as McLean's "filthy way of life." Shirley Phelps-Roper said his life was emblematic of Canada's moral decay. "

I also heard on the radio this morning that they said this is gods way of punishing us for allowing abortion and homosexuality.

Disgusting

Heres a direct quote off ctv.ca"Earlier this week, the Westboro Baptist Church - an organization branded as a hate group and infamous for protesting the funerals of slain American soldiers - announced they would picket McLean's funeral to let Canadians know that his decapitation was God's response to Canadian policies enabling abortion, homosexuality and adultery."