This is beyond ridiculous..

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OMFG (ummm... now what does that G mean)  Quote: And what would give you the right to tell me or anybody else how and what to teach their children?yet, the christian right isnists on imposing their narrow views on school boards.AOSE does nothing but spread ignorance and please, PLEASE, tell me what good ignorance has done anybody... and don't give me that pussy-ass "do your own research" bull shit you like these days.Though, if you still believe that witholding facts in favor of dogma is the best route to a better life, then I am truely sorry for your loss.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedyet, the christian right isnists on imposing their narrow views on school boards.Perhaps you'd care to start the discussion by explaining why you think you should be allowed to impose your even more narrow view on children in spite of the fact that, in the democracy that exists here, you'd be in the minority. In fact, why would a Canadian think to have any right to say what happens in this country at all??? What little remains of your logic is twisted by selfish concerns, while having no meaningful concern whatsoever for your fellow man.

booo fuckin hoooyou're right, what the world thinks is irrelevnantYOU are an islandI can see why you're so upset, drowning in a sea of change. If there were such a thing as a "second coming" I can see you as Ponchus Pilot. You lothe change, reason and free thought.tell me... why is your interpretation of the bible right while so many others are wrong!!

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You're free to do as you wish with your kids, when you have them.
I'm sorry, I can't let that go. I disagree totally with the principle there, that children are your property, to be used as you want. I know you don't really think parents can use their children as spare food for a rainy day, or to relieve their sexual tensions; but you do seem to believe that parents can totally control what their children hear and see according to their own views, no matter how narrow.

I think that is also abusive. Children are human beings. They are not property. The community in general has responsibilities towards all its members, including those who are underage.

Originally Posted By: unsupervised

booo fuckin hooo
you're right, what the world thinks is irrelevnant
YOU are an island

LOL! A minority of liberals now constitutes "the world"???

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You lothe change, reason and free thought.

None of which you're guilty of, so you've nothing to worry about.

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tell me... why is your interpretation of the bible right while so many others are wrong!!

I'll do you one better. You tell me your interpretation and I'll tell you why it's wrong...IF it's wrong.

Originally Posted By: thor Quote:tell me... why is your interpretation of the bible right while so many others are wrong!! I'll do you one better. You tell me your interpretation and I'll tell you why it's wrong...IF it's wrong. But first, how about you tell us what gives you any authority to say whether his interpretation is right or wrong?

Originally Posted By: Ineligible Quote:You're free to do as you wish with your kids, when you have them.I think that is also abusive. Can you tell me how? In what way??? Quote:Children are human beings. They are not property. The community in general has responsibilities towards all its members, including those who are underage. That used to be true. But these days, there is no "community" as you refer to it. Used to be the community was of like-mind and could be relied upon to help watch kids as there was unity in direction. That's long gone. When liberals and their emotionally motivated, "void of logic" agenda began to gather steam, the country became somewhat devided. Now there is no consistant "community", and children need consistancy and stability. So parents must watch their kids more closely and are not able to rely on a devided, twisted "community" for anything. Parents have the responsibility, and the right, to raise their kids as they see fit. At least until the point that this country becomes communist or fascist, and children become wards of the state. Is that what you're pushing for?

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thor Quote:tell me... why is your interpretation of the bible right while so many others are wrong!! I'll do you one better. You tell me your interpretation and I'll tell you why it's wrong...IF it's wrong. But first, how about you tell us what gives you any authority to say whether his interpretation is right or wrong? That's a liberal mindset. I need no authority to tell you the sky is blue and the sun is yellow...at least when it's daytime and that condition exists. If I used your thought process, I'd say you, being an athiest, have no authority to challenge my beliefs or views of the Bible. (And you can drop the "us"...you speak for nobody but yourself.)

I think he means us as in all of us discussing this topic. And he does have a right to challenge your views. Atheism is just as much a religion, or a belief system as Catholicism, Baptist, or Muslim. And he speaks for many many people, not just himself. And parents have the responsibility to raise their kids to become a good part of society, not how they see fit. When parents who are unfit parents try to raise kids, that's why the kids a put into better families. And when you say this,  Originally Posted By: thor I'll do you one better. You tell me your interpretation and I'll tell you why it's wrong...IF it's wrong.You are just restating that you think that our interpretation is the end all and be all, and it's absolutely right, that if what he says doesn't agree with your view, than it's wrong. As far as I know, there are many many many interpretations of the bible, and church teaches that it's not whether you necessarily believe what the church says, but that you believe in some way shape or form.

Thor, do you believe there are any circumstances whatever in which children should be taken from their parents?There have been, and still are, small communities of very like-minded people. Most communities have always included people of disparate beliefs and mindsets - that is part of living in a normal community. I'd like to know at what date you think "the community was of like-mind" and around what date "liberals and their emotionally motivated, "void of logic" agenda began to gather steam".

Yes...there are certainly times in which kids should be taken away.As for the rest, the turning point was somewhere between the late 50's and the early 70's.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thor Quote:tell me... why is your interpretation of the bible right while so many others are wrong!! I'll do you one better. You tell me your interpretation and I'll tell you why it's wrong...IF it's wrong. But first, how about you tell us what gives you any authority to say whether his interpretation is right or wrong? That's a liberal mindset. I need no authority to tell you the sky is blue and the sun is yellow...at least when it's daytime and that condition exists. If I used your thought process, I'd say you, being an athiest, have no authority to challenge my beliefs or views of the Bible. (And you can drop the "us"...you speak for nobody but yourself.) A liberal mindset? You cannot even face the possibility that you're wrong, can you? You can't even consider it. Your self-righteous, know-it-all attitude does not count as an argument.As a person, I have every right to challenge your beliefs as they have the strong possibility of warping the minds of children. Plus, as a person, I have the right to express my opinion on any matter, such as childhood indoctrination. If you used my thought process, you would argue your point logically and defend your position rationally, but you don't. You avoid questions, you state your unsupported opinions as facts, you ridicule and undermine the people with whom you are discussing. You dismiss logical arguments made by others and pretend that because they don't fit with your narrow world view then they must be delusional. But it is you who are delusional, you think the world works exactly how you want it to work. You think that your god holds the exact same prejudices that you have. You think that you have more knowledge of how the world works than hundreds of thousands of the most well trained, learned scientists. You are a fool.You must see that if you were taught that the story of Jesus was just a bedtime story and that Jack and the Beanstalk was holy doctrine, you would be here arguing the divinity of the golden goose. Actually no you wouldn't, because time and time again you fail to present any real argument.I speak for anyone who has had to suffer people like you in their lives, people whose education was warped and health threatened by the teaching of ignorant fundamentalists who put the words of a poorly written, historically false, contradictory book before the lives of fellow humans. And until you can act as a decent human being, with love and compassion for everyone, with respect for the knowledge that others have and you do not, with the common decency to even consider that your unfounded beliefs are wrong, I shall challenge you and defend the rights of those that you oppress with your ridiculous dogma.

Originally Posted By: LuvMyCatsAtheism is just as much a religion, or a belief system as Catholicism, Baptist, or Muslim.Thank you for defending my position but I must argue this point. I am an Agnostic Atheist, meaning that I don't believe that there is no god. I simply don't follow the belief that there is one. A Gnostic Atheist knows that there is no god, and I find this position to be as ridiculous as a Gnostic Theist who knows that there is a god.Atheism is not a religion, just like being a non-racist is not a prejudice.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious

Atheism is not a religion...

For all the blind faith you continually display, I'd argue that point.

Originally Posted By: thor

Originally Posted By: bobalicious

Atheism is not a religion...

For all the blind faith you continually display, I'd argue that point.

Ok, then do. Instead of just posting a snide remark, please argue your point. Unless you can back up what you say, your unfounded views will continue to be ignored. So put up or shut up.

Oh, and great job ignoring my post previous to that one. It was quite a display of burying your head in the sand.

Fair enough. I just re-read my post and I realised that I came off really bitchy - so, I'm sorry about that.

Quote:In my country a new law was annouced for rapists found guilty.......death sentence--'to be hanged till death' What country is this?

No, not at all. I was just making sure that you, or anyone else that reads this, can understand where I was coming from.

Saya may not wish to say particularly, but Saya is not in a Western country.

So you think that parents should be allowed to teach their children to be racist, assholes, etc.? They have the right to raise their children as they see fit, right?