Originally Posted By: sunshine_baby Originally Posted By: thorFolks will now be trying to step all over themselves trying to disprove what is in the article I posted.Is that why you posted it? For someone who believes so adamantly in religion and all that it entails, you sure seem to love creating conflict. This is actually an off-shoot of something in another thread, but I thought it deserved its own thread. However, if you believe that religion (Christianity, specifically) is all about peace, then you do not fully understand it.Matt.10[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.(Christ being quoted here)There will be division...it is already taking place.That said, I generally avoid the subject on this board because there are so many athiests here. But if somebody else brings the subject up I will not back down.Edited to add that I will address Ineligible's response after I've got time to digest it all. I will say that, from what little I've read of it so far, he's done next to nothing in the way of refuting the article. I don't think he even realizes it, though.
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Athiests try this on for size...
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Originally Posted By: thor
This is actually an off-shoot of something in another thread, but I thought it deserved its own thread. However, if you believe that religion (Christianity, specifically) is all about peace, then you do not fully understand it.
Matt.10[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.(Christ being quoted here)
There will be division...it is already taking place.
That said, I generally avoid the subject on this board because there are so many athiests here. But if somebody else brings the subject up I will not back down.
Thor arent you going a little overboard here?
In the other thread I think I said I didnt want to create an uproar remember now you are creating one.
None of the religions on this whole planet are a peaceful bunch.........I live in a country which has many varied religions and see conflicts every single day.
People cutting eachother's heads off for the sake of their religion isnt a pretty little thing unless you are insane. Picking a sword or a gun only makes a person an extremist.I thought the discussions would be enjoyable and interesting but this is really going too far off the point.
You really cant tolerate change or differences. Can you?........In 3 threads you are blabbering about it. If you really wanna preach then find a bunch of people who will listen to you.
As far as brainwashing thingy you were talking about there is more brainwashing done by religions than by reading some books or articles in school.
Look at the Middle East for once you will know to what level the brainwashing of a religion is used.
Did you totally forget what happened on 9/11? What happened 11/26 in Mumbai? Whats currently happening in Pakistan? What do you think has affected 16-25 yr olds who carry rifles and shoot anyone they see? Can you deny that a religion is not brainwashing? In India many hindu groups have sprung up who are hitting any hindu girl or boy who is talking to muslims.Religions may provide a reason to believe in "Creation"-theory or intelligent design etc but overall the impact of its brainwashing is ruining innocent lives.
Whether it was the Spanish Inquisition or is the Taliban........they are all committing crimes openly in the name of "Lord" or "God", torturing innocent people. Do you think thats what "god" has asked to "lift their sword" for?
I would rather prefer a peaceful world without violence or religion.......or corrupt govt officials/politicians.........because as long as these exist there wont be peace.
As far as evolution is concerned...........You really have to do a lot of homework on it instead of hanging on to silly old things .
Science is rapidly developing and the previous experiments carried out by Miller only proved a little, a thorough experiment will give you your answer. As far as creating RNA in lab is concerned........yes its been done already. Even a Polio Virus was created and to prove if its alive or not they even injected it in rats.......sadly the rats got paralyzed and died.......that proves the virus was real which was created in a lab.
The primordial soup theory and the process of life to form is far more complicated than what you think.......evolution is definitely taking place all around you but you are indeed not acknowledging it........evolution takes place little by little, only after a few thousand years will you be able to see true changes of what evolution does.........it doesnt happen overnight like your theory "boom....and there was life".
You said you havent seen any genetic changes yet didnt you?.......ever wonder how people who migrated from Africa, dark skin, dark eyes and dark hair developed into White Europeans, fair skin, different colors of eyes and hair? Do you think our genes are exactly the same as that of those humans that existed 50-70,000 yrs ago? Ever read anything about mutations caused by inbreeding in a group? Chromosomes of XXY, XXXX, XXXY, XXYY etc combinations? How do Congenital disorders occur that are often passed along from parent to child and so on? Dont you know that some people with a particular gene maybe resistant to some diseases or types of cancer than other people? Ever wonder why some are albinos or had different colored irises?
You stated some other things in another thread "show me the birdie" stuff.........First you show me where the heck the heaven is. Tell me why when people are killing themselves in the name of "god" when all religions teach to value life and that god created all living things.....Everybody is a human being or a living breathing creature created by god according to religions and holy books isnt it? Then why kill things created by the one whom you so love or follow or believe in and have faith in?
Dont tell me that he is testing his followers and the evil-doers will pay on judgment day or stupid stuff like that..........my mom gives me that silly stuff everytime .
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Sadly I have a pretty good guess at what Thor would say about this- certainly what he would think even if he didn't say it. It would be that all of these religions you mention aren't the "true religion" - meaning the religion he believes in. If everyone practicing these false religions would just plain accept and practice his religion and accept its dogmas, then the world would be a wonderful and peaceful place.That of course is the same thing that all of the violent religious people you mention think as well. Hence the violence continues.SIGH
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The thing is no matter how many religions are there on this planet, they all believe in similar rules and follow similar patterns, whether its one god or many gods (according to different religions), but overall they say there is something called "god" a supernatural, omnipresent, etc etc. Though they may seem divided they are all still the same. The human brain is the key factor that makes this stuff up. Whether atheist or not human brain is well tuned to believe in stuff that doesnt exist.......make associations to explain something. Humans are that way whether they like it or not.A true religion?.......Every religion will say its the only religion thats true and all others are "evil-doers". Thats the reason for so many deaths and conflicts all over the world. One asshole even claimed "no matter how many die during the fight, our women's wombs have the strength to produce thousands more". Are women only reproducing machines for him?Thats the reason why so many countries are fighting over each other. Does anyone remember how much the Jews have suffered in the long run, in germany, middle east? (mass graves, thousands killed or buried alive) Anyone wonder how much the Baha'i are dealing with even today living in a muslim country? (On a hot day no one even gives them a glass of water) Does anyone remember how an old woman died outside her home in Israel when a Palestinian blew himself up few feet from her? (Islam states not to kill women and children but that guy didnt care) Anyone knows how many Palestinians are homeless cos of Israel's raids? Ever wonder why people of same religion but different sects kill each other? (only cos they slightly differ from one another)Why do you need a god when all that ever happens in regard to religion brings bloodshed, tears, lost lives? Yep........sure its a great way to make some money selling arms and ammunition, digging graves and looting stuff after people die........and a real great way to keep population under control......(thats a sarcastic statement)No matter what......thor will still put it down to a supernatural something called god "who stuck his finger in the primordial soup and lo! behold! LIFE".
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Originally Posted By: thorEdited to add that I will address Ineligible's response after I've got time to digest it all. I will say that, from what little I've read of it so far, he's done next to nothing in the way of refuting the article. I don't think he even realizes it, though. I love how you pretend to have understood what he said, if you even read it at all.
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Originally Posted By: SayaThe human brain is the key factor that makes this stuff up. Whether atheist or not human brain is well tuned to believe in stuff that doesnt exist.......make associations to explain something. Humans are that way whether they like it or not.Skipping, for the moment, that you think this stuff is just made up...why? Why do you think humans are that way whether they like it or not? Not arguing the point...just asking the question, "Why?" How did we get that way? What purpose does it serve? If you believe in natural selection as the evolutionary tool, then how does us being that way help us survive better? Why-why-why-why-why?
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Because, in just a simple example, if we weren't wired that way, then quarantine wouldn't exist. We (as human beings) would still be suffering from diseases that were cured 100-200 years ago, because we didn't isolate, and I'm sure in some extreme cases, kill those who were sick, via lethal injection, whatever. As bad as HIV and AIDS are, the plague isn't around, measles, mumps, polio, these aren't as present in the world as they were about 200-500 years ago. Those quarantines contributed to medical science.
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Originally Posted By: thorIf you believe that religion (Christianity, specifically) is all about peace, then you do not fully understand it.Matt.10[34] Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.(Christ being quoted here)There will be division...it is already taking place.That said, I generally avoid the subject on this board because there are so many athiests here. But if somebody else brings the subject up I will not back down.First of all, I don't need Bible quotes thrown at me. I went to Sunday school. However in response (Christ also being quoted here)... ''All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.'' ~ Matthew 26:52I'm not saying I believe religion is all about peace, I just meant that you, Thor, don't seem to practice what you preach, pardon the pun. What about the ''compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience'' talked about in Colossians? Or does that only apply face to face?
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Saya, I wonder if you misunderstood me. We are in complete agreement on all this. Quote: A true religion?.......Every religion will say its the only religion thats true and all others are "evil-doers". Thats the reason for so many deaths and conflicts all over the world. This was exactly my point. And it is why I am very hostile to the idea of religion in general. It has been the the single greatest cause of misery and destruction throughout human history.
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Originally Posted By: thorEdited to add that I will address Ineligible's response after I've got time to digest it all. I will say that, from what little I've read of it so far, he's done next to nothing in the way of refuting the article. I don't think he even realizes it, though. Wow... you cannot be serious? You never cease to amaze me Thor. I really think you need to spend time with your pastor (or whatever religious teacher you believe) because you seriously need some one on one time to get yourself back to what Christianity is all about.If I am going to be 100% honest Thor, you are the type of Christian that scares me.I'm a Christian who believes in evolution... I think we are being overly naive to think it doesn't exist. It's all around us and has even been proven when it comes to other species. Just one example (I'll see if I can find the article here in a bit) but it was an article about a species of butterfly that changed its color to suit its environment because of a new predator. That's a "simple" form of evolution right there. The species changed in order to survive. Why is it so hard to believe that when God created us that he gave the body the ability to evolve with the environment?
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Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: SayaThe human brain is the key factor that makes this stuff up. Whether atheist or not human brain is well tuned to believe in stuff that doesnt exist.......make associations to explain something. Humans are that way whether they like it or not.Skipping, for the moment, that you think this stuff is just made up...why? Why do you think humans are that way whether they like it or not? Not arguing the point...just asking the question, "Why?" How did we get that way? What purpose does it serve? If you believe in natural selection as the evolutionary tool, then how does us being that way help us survive better? Why-why-why-why-why? You never keep up with things happening around, Do you? Here Human brain as complicated as it is......is wired very differently. I didnt need an article or proof to believe what a human brain is capable of.
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Originally Posted By: ThoughtfulSaya, I wonder if you misunderstood me. We are in complete agreement on all this. Quote: A true religion?.......Every religion will say its the only religion thats true and all others are "evil-doers". Thats the reason for so many deaths and conflicts all over the world. This was exactly my point. And it is why I am very hostile to the idea of religion in general. It has been the the single greatest cause of misery and destruction throughout human history. Well I understood all right and I am glad we are on same side. I wrote that for thor, not you. I was pretty beat when I was posting and I did mess up a little
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Originally Posted By: sunshine_babyI'm not saying I believe religion is all about peace, I just meant that you, Thor, don't seem to practice what you preach, pardon the pun. What about the ''compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience'' talked about in Colossians? Or does that only apply face to face?You missed the point (no pun intended). Christ came not to bring peace, but devision amongst folks...even potentially within their own family. It's what's happening right here. What you quote above is, of course, also true...but it does seem to be the only part of the Bible some folks are concerned about. Truth ranks up there pretty high as well...and to me it's clear that a lot of folks around here have been fooled.
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Originally Posted By: Saya Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: SayaThe human brain is the key factor that makes this stuff up. Whether atheist or not human brain is well tuned to believe in stuff that doesnt exist.......make associations to explain something. Humans are that way whether they like it or not.Skipping, for the moment, that you think this stuff is just made up...why? Why do you think humans are that way whether they like it or not? Not arguing the point...just asking the question, "Why?" How did we get that way? What purpose does it serve? If you believe in natural selection as the evolutionary tool, then how does us being that way help us survive better? Why-why-why-why-why? You never keep up with things happening around, Do you? Here Human brain as complicated as it is......is wired very differently. I didnt need an article or proof to believe what a human brain is capable of. I didn't ask "what" or "how"...I asked "why".
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Okey-dokey. I'm not arguing. Just smiling, I'm too happy for my own good today! We all have and are entitled to our different points of view and I respect yours, thought I don't understand/agree with all of it.
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Originally Posted By: thorChrist came not to bring peace, but devision amongst folks...even potentially within their own family. It's what's happening right here........and to me it's clear that a lot of folks around here have been fooled. Do you think dividing up people is a good thing?........whether its Christ or Someone else who did it........Sure its happening........look at the blood shed it causes!! Fools are those who dont see whats before their eyes.
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Originally Posted By: thorI didn't ask "what" or "how"...I asked "why". The answer to your "why" is within the answer to "what" and "how".Human Intelligence has its side effects........association and creative thoughts including imagination is a part of a whole. Creative reasoning is part of all human beings atheists or not. That is the answer to "why". I cant believe you cant even grasp such a tiny little fact and need others to feed info to you.No matter how many facts are provided you are turning a blind eye to them, ignoring them. "There is no use playing a trumpet before a deaf person".....I am outta here.........I need to give my lungs some rest.
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Originally Posted By: SayaFools are those who dont see whats before their eyes. In that, you and I very much agree.But as to my question to you, you keep answering my question "why" with "how". The answer to "why" is not contained in the answer to "how". You described how the brain functions...I ask why does it function that way. I guess another way of putting it, is "What evolutionary purpose does it serve for the brain to function that way?"
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There's no way of answering that conclusively because we cannot test what we'd be like without it, so while it may be interesting to think about why, any one who claims to know why is simply not telling the truth. All they have is a possibility, which does not merit belief, merely exploration.
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As I said before "no use playing a trumpet before a deaf person, I am outta here"........that means--my words wont affect you.......I am off this thread.You wont agree even if we provided the proof.......then why should I waste my time on you? I asked twice before to show me where the heck heaven is........you didnt even give me a clue to its existence. You avoid my question and ignore Bobby completely, dont agree with Pete or Cider. As far as the fools cant see is concerned..........better get your eye sight checked cos you arent reading the posts properly.........you are skipping a lot of points in 3 threads