Homosexuality taught in schools

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DUN DUN DUN Article Opinion Article I know this may be a touchy subject but I found it interesting. I think arresting the man was a little OVER THE TOP. I mean.. the kid is 6 yrs old. Maybe if it was in middle school or high school I'd understand but... Kindergarten? That's ridiculous. They should still be learning about shapes and colors and not to eat sand and glue.

Not eating sand and glue is preschool level - at US kindergarten level they start learning to read. It's not as if they were discussing buttsex positions - it seems that among a swag of books for outside class reading there was one that said that some children were parented by people of the same sex. It's not suggested that the book said anything about what any sort of parents did in the bedroom. That may be in the mind of some people, but not the average 6-year-old.

While I don't doubt the arrested father's sincerity, he put himself in a position where he had to be arrested. He refused to leave the principal's office, forcing the principal to call the police. The police were then obliged to ask him to leave. When he refused, the police had no real choice but to arrest him. When the police tell you to leave, you can't expect that if you refuse they will do nothing.

In many jurisdictions the police would then have taken the man to the police station, given him a lecture about obeying the law, and sent him home without charge. But in other jurisdictions this might lead to their being sued for false arrest, so I can't blame the police for doing things by the book and laying formal charges. The FOXNews article is completely wrong (surprise) in saying he was charged for asking the school for parental notification - it was because he refused to leave until he got what he wanted. If the man is not stupid he may well have done it for the publicity.

I imagine the father truly believes he is trying to be a good father, but I suspect his son might wish he weren't.

I completely agree with what you said Ineligible.If it's the book I'm thinking of, there is nothing sexual about it. It doesn't even go into depth about homosexuality. The point of the book is to teach kids about diversity. It teaches kids about how some kids are raised by a mommy & daddy, by just a daddy, by just a mommy, and sometimes by 2 mommies and two daddies.By the sounds of it the parents in question knew ahead of time they were getting these books and even had a chance to review the material their child would be bringing home, they just neglected to take the extra step of actually reviewing the material.I don't overly fault the father, I knew he was just looking out for his child, but there was a more adult way he could have handled the situation. I think the best route the father could have taken was to remove the book from the bag and explain to the school why he didn't feel comfortable with his child reading the book. I think it would have saved him a huge headache in the end.

I couldn't say it any better than what Pete did.

Originally Posted By: OldFolksI couldn't say it any better than what Pete did. I've noticed he's quite good at saying what most folks around here want to hear. Part of what he said:"The FOXNews article is completely wrong (surprise) in saying he was charged for asking the school for parental notification - it was because he refused to leave until he got what he wanted."I would say "completely wrong" disregards some important points. One is that he completely steps around the idea that parents have a right to be notified what schools are teaching their children...the children do not (yet) belong to the government (until Obama's "volunteer" youth group gets underway, that is). So, truth be known, he was arrested for demanding his rights. It's a shame that this has to happen in this country...kind of like getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, eh Scotty?

I am offended!I have a kid in kindergarden!he never ate glue or paste! he was reading first grade level books when he was 3 1/2. He knew all hsi colors and shapes by the time he was 2, he knew the alphabet by 3 and started working out how to put letters together to make words, he taught himself to play piano at 3, not a great work of art, or reading music, but can imitate a song in key and timing if he hears it a few times. One of his favorites is Ozzy and nickleback.nearly through with kindergarten and he is reading on a 4th grade level. At 4 years old I took his ass hiking and he did all but about 2 miles of a 5 mile trip and he only was on my back for the one really steep part, he knows spiderman history inside out! he has been casting his own pole for fish since he was just about 3, he can kick my ass on any video game we own and plays the medium level on guitar hero. If he had bigger hands or a smaller controller he would be playing on harder levels. He has his own computer in his room (not online! I keep his station blocked from the network) and knows more about running and using a computer than my mom and most people i know. Kids work up to the challenges that are set before them, let them sit and be stupid and they will be, give them a challenge and they will meet it. He takes pictures with the camera, hooks it up and edits them with programs to make new pictures or stick words in peoples mouths, knows a great deal about guns and proper use and safety and is a pretty damned good shot at 10 yards with a bb gun. knows more shit about birds than i ever wanted to know and about fish and snakes and dogs than most high school students, has been learning arabic and spanish and understands concepts beyond most of his class. his cognative ability is near most high school students in reasoning and problem solving.Never underestimate a child.Now I never read the shit you posted I have no idea what this thread is baout, but I can tell you that shapes colors and what not to eat is far below any kindergarten kid that has parents that ever gave honest answers to questions and encouraged the kid to learn when he wanted the answers.Oh and BTW, he is working on times tables and that will lead to long division, been doing simple math since he was 3 on his fingers and has now mastered 3 digit numbers in addition and subtraction, and could count to 1000 before he started school. and he never attended preschool. He now counts to 10 thousand, and understands the concept of repeating numbers and going higher.Kids are as smart as the adults let them be.

LOL Well the thread isn't about how smart your kid is... read the link.....

What? Huh? My limited mental capacities are having trouble keeping pace with your blistering logic.>>>"...kind of like getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, eh Scotty?"If the man was asked repeatedly to leave and didn't what do you think should have happened?Rather than your analogy I would say it's more like not wearing a seatbelt and getting pulled over and ticketed for that. Just because you happen not to agree with the law doesn't exempt cops from doing their jobs and handing you a ticket anyway.When he refused to leave he crossed the line of lawful conduct and what happened was an inevitability.

I jsut know that ya can not shit on little kids and pigeon hole them into the mental ability that at this age no eating paste and this is blue and red and this is a circle!I read the links after and after reading them I thought, huh, I dont give a fuck.

Originally Posted By: OldFolksWhat? Huh? My limited mental capacities are having trouble keeping pace with your blistering logic.>>>"...kind of like getting pulled over for doing nothing wrong, eh Scotty?"If the man was asked repeatedly to leave and didn't what do you think should have happened? I think the principal should have told the man to expect to be notified in the future, as is the man's right to be. That would have been the end of it right there. THAT is what SHOULD have happened. What happened instead was wrong...just like when you had your rights violated in that incident you had with the cops that we discussed some time ago. Analogy working for you yet?

Quote:One is that he completely steps around the idea that parents have a right to be notified what schools are teaching their children I agree a parent has every right to know and even object to material being taught to their children. But what you seemed to have missed in the article is the school stated that at the beginning of the year all the parents were told at a meeting that a bag of books would be brought home to help teach diversity and even had all the books laid out at the back of the room for the parents to review. These parents neglected to review the books.I will restate that the father went over board. All he needed to do was remove the book from the bag, and when the books were returned either write a letter or in person explained to the teacher why he didn't allow his child to read the book and explain anything further along these lines he wants to be notified. Instead he went into the principles office and than refused to leave when asked... for over 2 hours! He even refused when asked by the police. Sorry, but this father brought the unneeded jail time and court date on himself.I don’t fault the father for doing what he felt was right for his child, but it’s his actions that stemmed from trying to do right that he is faulted for. He’s an adult and there is a more mature way of getting what he wants other than “I‘m not leaving until I get my way” antic.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfI don’t fault the father for doing what he felt was right for his child, but it’s his actions that stemmed from trying to do right that he is faulted for. He’s an adult and there is a more mature way of getting what he wants other than “I‘m not leaving until I get my way” antic. I wish there were more like him...willing to do jail time rather than have their rights violated. I don't think he went overboard at all. Most parents don't expect their kids to be introduced to this kind of thing at school...why should they? Yeah, things are changing...but until they have changed to the point where it's an accepted norm, the schools have a responsibility to notify the parents of what's going on. Reviewing textbooks should not become the method by which parents are expected to screen out what they don't want their kids exposed to. For lack of a better way of putting it, that's bullshit.I wonder how many folks on this board would have a fit if it was the lesson of Sodom and Gamorrah that the kids were being "exposed to". What do you think the response would be...a bit different, perhaps?

Originally Posted By: RadWhy present yourself at school and disrupt the kids? I doubt there were a whole lot of kids present in the principals office during the course of this. I honestly hope that there were. Kids need to witness folks standing up for their rights rather than how to act like a bunch of clueless sheep.

When the purpose of the original meeting is to expose the parents to the books, thats a bit different than haivn to read all teh kdis texts books.Besides, when your kids bring home the books do you not peruse them?I know I do.This wasnt even a text book, it was a reading book. My kid brings home shit form the school library every Wednesday, I always look at it and see what the fuck he has.Part of being a parent is watching what they see do and read, and what the school exposes them too. Not to long ago I had to go have a chat with the school over them letting in fucking anti gun bastards and fucking veggie eaters to tell my kid about how evil it all is, you can bet I got pissed about that. That was never discussed, it was just done, he brought home pamphlets about becoming vegan and not hurting cute wittle aminals and guns are bad! I represent the angry gun toting meat eating fucking people and I will not stand for it.I caught it because I review his shit, I check up on it, I keep in close contact with his teacher. Even my high school aged kids I have constant emails with the principal and teachers, Iv been forced over the years to knock the fog fuck out of a few of them. I went to jail, but they never laid another hand on my kids, and when I called back over something new, I got immediate attention.Its up to the parents to be fucking parents. I beat some ass on teachers and principals and one vice principal and one gym teacher they sent to talk to me cause he was big and they thought Id back off, they were wrong I broke his fucking arm and put his head through a wall, noone touches me or my kids.I can see the guys point, but he had already had ample opportunity to discuss it in the past had he paid attention instead of blowing up about it at the present time. I am all for hurting people and blowing up and fuck knows I love to do it, but most shit can be handled at a more mature level. Aside from the times a teacher hit my son, or one principal that took it upon himself to give my diabetic 3rd grader a shot that he knew nothing about, I have never gone to the school for violence, its just ended up that way when people did not know enough to back the fuck off me and not lay a hand on me and not poke me in the chest. Im not a kid, I am very very good at violence, my size has never stopped me from knocking the shit out of jocks and the big fuckers that think they can get by with out a fight because size intimidates people. I do however, attempt to do it in a more peaceful manner first, and I do keep up on what my kids are doing in school so I can stop a problem early before it has to come to blood and police.Had this guy done that at the first opportunity, shit could of been different. Maybe not, but maybe so. and as a parent its your fucking job to review the text books, reading books and every fucking speech they get while in that school once they are home in your house again.If your too lazy to do that, your kids deserve the education they get.

I agree with most of what you wrote, but I disagree that parents should have to go through every last thing page by page...almost as if it's an attempt by the school to get one past them. They know most of us parents don't have time for that, and so should help us in the process rather than make it more difficult than it needs to be. That's the way it always had been until all these activist groups got the green light to go into our public schools and brainwash our kids. The schools need to understand they work for us...not the other way around. The school knew this was controversial and so should have spoken up. I'd have been just as mad as this guy was.FWIW, my kids won't go to a public school because of these kinds of stupid games that are played there. If I have to work two jobs I'll send mine somewhere private where I know what they'll be being taught. Seems that paying for their education is the only sure way these days that you'll be calling the shots. I'd be willing to bet you don't catch everything the school pushes at your kids regardless of how dilligently you're paying attention to what they're doing. You can't sit on their shoulders and watch 24/7.

Quote:I wish there were more like him...willing to do jail time rather than have their rights violated. As far as I can see I don't see where anyone’s rights were violated. Unless trying to teach kids tolerance to diversity is a crime, which last I checked it was not. A person can still disagree with homosexuality and still be tolerant… funny because that’s the TRUE Christian way.And if you are talking about the parents rights... his rights were not violated either. He went to the school, voiced his concern. Things didn't go bad until after things "got heated" and was asked to leave, in which he refused for 2 hours before the police were finally called. Was the principal supposed to just stay there all night? Than HIS rights would have been violated.Again I have no issues with the fact the guy wanted to protect his child, it was the way he went about it that was wrong.

Okay, I finally went back and read the article.

This is bullshit, this has nothing to do with teaching sexuality in class. I think the article, or somebody, even said that same thing.

Saying that some kids come from a home that has two daddies or two mommies is only about sexuality in the mind of the parents visualizing daddy Tom giving it to daddy Steve. It's two people living together to raise a child. The sex is in the mind of the reader.

Originally Posted By: OldFolks

Saying that some kids come from a home that has two daddies or two mommies is only about sexuality in the mind of the parents visualizing daddy Tom giving it to daddy Steve. It's two people living together to raise a child. The sex is in the mind of the reader.

Well Said :smile:

Originally Posted By: OldFolks

It's two people living together to raise a child. The sex is in the mind of the reader.

And, thanks to mandatory sex education at an earlier age than makes any practical sense, sex is just about all that's going to be on the minds of the young readers. It's going to be assumed...and if you take a look around you, there's a 99% (or better) chance that the assumption will be correct.

Course I catch it all, I attend the meetings where new shit is talked about and what the school will be teaching, I talk to my kids and discuss what they learned about, I skim through the books, I check over homework before it gets turned in, I meet all the teachers and attend parent teacher conferences.I do my job as a parent.Not nearly enough people do this. Im a political junkie. A public meeting does not matter if its school or zoning laws, i go, I sit I listen and learn, and if I need to I speak up.I am an activist, I just have a violent streak and do not believe in sit ins and fucking love ins and passive demonstrations.If someone is asking, nay begging for a rap in the fucking mouth its your duty as a man to give it to him, even if that asshole is sometimes you, someone should step up and oblige you in what you ask for. Not all shit can be worked out in peace with no violence, but if its possible it should be. This guy overstepped whats allowable, so what? he got carted off to jail.Big fucking deal. He had a chance to speak out at the first meeting, he chose not to review it and did nothing. He then went to the school, met with administrators and refused to leave. His point was made, being a dick on top of it does nothing for your case.Had I been admin at the school, Id of tossed his fucking ass out myself.