Originally Posted By: unsupervisedlolyou are nuts, ya know that right?10 pages of posts, speaking out against those who are different than yourself and how children should not be taught acceptance. You are exactly like those white supremists (did you read the articel?) Again, like you would really know.My children will be taught acceptance for people...but not for all behaviors of said people. There are, and always will be, behavior that is unacceptable. You, like Eddie, find it convenient to your agendas to fail to recognize the difference between people and their behaviors. What I have yet to figure out is just what makes you decide to wear the "victim claok"...other than just being a liberal, of course. Now, have you nothing other than insults to add to this thread? Anything constructive? Perhaps on on-topic opinion here or there?
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Maine Senate Passes Same-sex Marriage Bill
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I'm no victim and I'm only a liberal by comparison to you.Did you find my observations insulting? I'm sure no one has found yours to be so.
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Originally Posted By: RadNot to completely change this lovely subject, but did anybody catch last night's "So You Think You Can Dance"?They had a young man from Texaco, NM.It was particularly touching, enough that I teared up, that this man, attempting to be a dancer, had all the backing he could possibly receive, from his Dad.His Dad is the head football coach in the town where they live.Unconditional love is such a beautiful thing! I did see that and I thought it was VERY touching! Now THAT is a good parent
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Quote:You, like Eddie, find it convenient to your agendas to fail to recognize the difference between people and their behaviors. You are wrong I know the different between people and behaviors, the problem is you think being homosexual is a behavior and it's not. Behavior is something you can change, I cannot change being gay just like you cannot change being straight. Quote:What I have yet to figure out is just what makes you decide to wear the "victim claok"...other than just being a liberal, of course. It has nothing to do with being liberal you clunk-head.. it has to do with not receiving equal treatment in the law. The BS you like to throw that we have equal treatment is not true because I am not allowed to marry the person I love because we are both males. Thing is Thor I know you are not stupid and you totally understand what I am trying to say... you just refuse to admit there is a difference and as much as you might dislike to admit it, homosexuals do not have equal rights.
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Originally Posted By: Rad
Can I ask why you don't take a lesson from the Amish?
If you don't like how the world is progressing around you, just withdraw into your own little world and pretty much ignore it.
Wouldn't your fearless leader have much more control over you that way?
Although I obviously don't agree with thor, I do appreciate that he stands up for what he believes. I can't stand communities that just close themselves off, I hate people who can't openly talk about stuff. I'm tottally for thor defending his beliefs, but I'm also tottally for arguing, fighting and ridiculing them as is necessary. All beliefs should be subject to these, my own included. Thats why I debate, I enjoy being able to defend my viewpoints and, if need be, change them.
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I have a deeper than average knowlage of the Amish and the Mennonites. I can tell you that debate is not stifled in those communities. Time and time again, they have experienced schisims of differing beleifs in what to adopt from the new world. Like ALL religions and political systems, the idividuals disagree on interpretation.Also, farming by hand surrounded by a world of machines IS standing up for one's beliefs, don't you think?
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Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Quote:You, like Eddie, find it convenient to your agendas to fail to recognize the difference between people and their behaviors. You are wrong I know the different between people and behaviors, the problem is you think being homosexual is a behavior and it's not. Behavior is something you can change, I cannot change being gay just like you cannot change being straight.From what I've gathered, its not you being gay that he isn't tolerant of. Its the behaviours associated with being gay. The thought of two men having sex obviously disgusts him. This may stem from the fact that the bible doesn't actually say anything about being gay, its homosexual acts that it forbids.
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begs the question... why can't a gay man be a priest if an oath of celebacy is required?
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Maybe I'm just a bigger fan of vocalisation. (Was gonna say "oral" but thought better of it.)
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Misguided belief that the temptation of little boys will be too much. Not that being gay has anything to do with it, we've got thousands of straight priests over here who are getting the shit kicked out of them in the press for what they've done to people.
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you'd be surprised how much political clout the Mennonites have around here
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Well now, I learn something new every day! Now that I have learnt this interesting piece of information, I am going to absorb it and alter my world view as is needed.
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I love you Bob
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I think thor has created his own cloistered community inside his own brain.
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don't you mean "clustered"?
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U, this isn't in reply to you, just in general...Alright you guys, I think I've made a discovery. Now, Eddie, don't hate me for this, but I see what thor's saying, and you have it a bit wrong, and I can see why he reposts these things so. He isn't saying that you're being gay is a behavior (I think). I think he's talking about the, erm, bedtime, lol, aspect of it. He's fine with you, but he doesn't approve of the sexual act of it, and that I can understand, because the bible DOES forbid that, and it's a sin that's kinda up there. Just sayin', I think I have a new handle on where he's coming from, now.Bob already said it, i just noticed, but ill leave ti there nonetheless.And bob, i agree with you again, debate is a good thing, when you can admit your faults/wrongs, and make reflections on them as their fit.Sorry guys, but [/LMC]I am officially removing myself. Have fun, and play nice. Uh-huh, right...
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No religious belief is ever a valid or justifiable reason for discrimination.
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Don't get me wrong I knew where Thor was coming from when he said behavior... but also remember Thor also believes being gay is a choice. So I was covering my bases :wink:
And with that said... I still don't agree with the comment. Having "gay sex" is no more a sin than all the straight people having pre-marital sex. Lets keep in mind that no sin is greater than any other sin.
Also, am I supposed to deny myself the pleasure of sex? It might be selfish of me but no I am not going to deny myself. In my eyes the only reason it's a sin is because I am denied marriage. Believe it or not I would have loved to have waited until marriage, but it's something I knew was never going to happen or at least not happen until I was much older. Am I wrong? Yes I suppose in the context of my religion it is wrong, but its something I am going to have to deal with until society moves further and my partner and I are able to get married.
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Originally Posted By: OldFolksNo religious belief is ever a valid or justifiable reason for discrimination. I completely, 100% disagree that religious beliefs are not valid reasons for determining the difference between right and wrong. But the word "discrimination" implies people...not behaviors. Nice try, though.
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Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: OldFolksNo religious belief is ever a valid or justifiable reason for discrimination. I completely, 100% disagree that religious beliefs are not valid reasons for determining the difference between right and wrong. But the word "discrimination" implies people...not behaviors. Nice try, though. And if those people are not of your religion should they have to comply with your religions belief system? I certainly don't think so.