The Bible Told Me So.

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Originally Posted By: deekTo show love and compassion to all, to learn from it,… The Bible is supposedly a moral and social guide, but it says way more than just love and compassion. That book needs to be removed from its pedestal.

T_T... a dios...why isn't the Qu'ran or any other "holy book" ridiculed as much as the Bible...reminds me of college... "DIVERSITY EVERYONE! LOVE DIVERSITY! accept Christians... we don't like you..." O_o mmm thanks professor.

Point me to the Muslims on the forum who are claiming their book is the best in the world, then I'll give them a good debate. But until then, I'll focus on the multiple Christians on the forum who are all claiming the truth of the Bible yet have completely different interpretations of it.And your college professor may be a dick, or you may be taking what he says more personally because you are a very devout Christian (or both). Your religion means so much to you so it hurts when its questioned or ridiculed. But since so much of what your religion says has no substantial evidence, it is simply an idea. And all ideas can be ridiculed and defended, but they should not be protected.

Woah... "multiple Christians"?? on THIS forum? Who?? Other than I'm-always-right-you-filthy-liberals Thor... what other Christian on this forum has glorified the Bible above all?? Quote:And your college professor may be a dick, or you may be taking what he says more personally because you are a very devout Christian (or both). Your religion means so much to you so it hurts when its questioned or ridiculed. But since so much of what your religion says has no substantial evidence, it is simply an idea. And all ideas can be ridiculed and defended, but they should not be protected.And you just sound biased.Ever since I got to this oh-so-wonderful school I have been nothing but quiet, tolerant, and accepting about other religions. Most of my friends here are either Muslim, Buddhists, or Hindu, and the rest are atheists. We've never had any arguments about religion. I don't appreciate the fact that when we get to school we're told to be accepting of diversity in all forms including Race, Ethnicity, Sexuality, and Religion. And each religion is supposedly discussed in a fair manner yet when it comes to Christianity, the religion and those involved are pretty much ridiculed and crucified for no reason. There are no Christians in my school that glorify Christianity. We don't have full-length murals dedicated to Christianity as they do for Islam, Bhuddism, and Judaism. If there is no Christian causing a threat then why do people feel the need to attack it like it's an open field? They don't do this to any other religion BUT Christianity.And actually your comment is really insulting but whatever. Please don't confuse me for Thor. We're two completely different people and we have completely different views. Just in case you forgot.err not completely different views but a different way of approaching it.

I totally agree. A lot of people don't know how to read the Bible. They read the way their leaders read it which is, almost always, wrong. Theses people take a few versus and twist them so that it hurts a certain race, genger, etc. (I consider homosexuality a race of it's own). The Bible does not teach this, it teaches love, compassion, and if you acctually read it, in a version you understand (The Message is ok), is a very exciting book with drama, betral, and so on.

(not specifically directed at you, Abi) I think you need to take a step back and look at the religious landscape of the planet. Christianity is the most dominant religion. I don't think there's much to cry about when someone criticizes the biggest club in the world. You still win.I also don't think you can take simple observations as criticism, nor can you deny them.Christians cannot agree upon what it means to be a Christian, what they should believe, nor even who actually is or isn't a Christian. Can anyone deny that statement?Personally, I believe there are 2 ways to deal with scrutiny. One can either stand up to it or hide from it. Complaining about it is not a valid option.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Woah... "multiple Christians"?? on THIS forum? Who?? Other than I'm-always-right-you-filthy-liberals Thor... what other Christian on this forum has glorified the Bible above all??Do you believe that there is a better holy book than the Bible? If you do, then you're an odd Christian since all of Christ's teachings are in the Bible. And this applies to all Christians, including those on this forum.  Originally Posted By: JapanFan14And you just sound biased.I'm biased because I don't hold your views?  Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Ever since I got to this oh-so-wonderful school I have been nothing but quiet, tolerant, and accepting about other religions. Most of my friends here are either Muslim, Buddhists, or Hindu, and the rest are atheists. We've never had any arguments about religion. I don't appreciate the fact that when we get to school we're told to be accepting of diversity in all forms including Race, Ethnicity, Sexuality, and Religion. And each religion is supposedly discussed in a fair manner yet when it comes to Christianity, the religion and those involved are pretty much ridiculed and crucified for no reason. There are no Christians in my school that glorify Christianity. We don't have full-length murals dedicated to Christianity as they do for Islam, Bhuddism, and Judaism. If there is no Christian causing a threat then why do people feel the need to attack it like it's an open field? They don't do this to any other religion BUT Christianity.Criticism is not attacking (although I'm sure there are some very ignorant people who do attack it). You live in a country where there are Christians who are trying to impose Christian beliefs and dogma into areas where it doesn't belong. Its not a situation where you can just opt out of the religious influence, people actually have to fend off the imposing beliefs. Do I think its fair that Islam, Buddhism and Judaism seem to get a free ride in your college? Hell no. If I was there, I'd apply logical thinking to them all. Originally Posted By: JapanFan14And actually your comment is really insulting but whatever. Please don't confuse me for Thor. We're two completely different people and we have completely different views. Just in case you forgot.err not completely different views but a different way of approaching it. If you thought I was saying you're the same as thor, then I either phrased it badly or you misinterpreted. My point was exactly what you just said, so many Christians have similar views but different ways of approaching it, yet all of this is supposed to come from one book. Obviously there is something wrong with the book or else this wouldn't be happening.

Quote: I don't think there's much to cry about when someone criticizes the biggest club in the world. You still win.err.. no you don't win. We don't win. The Christians in East Harlem, New York certainly don't deserve the same criticism and ridicule as the Christians from South Carolina or Alabama. Only one of kind of Christian is portrayed in the media and that makes the rest of us look bad when we've had nothing to do with it. Quote:Christians cannot agree upon what it means to be a Christian, what they should believe, nor even who actually is or isn't a Christian. Can anyone deny that statement?This is completely true and goes hand in hand with what deek says. Honestly, as a Christian I've experienced discrimination from other Christians because of my race, ethnicity, language, background, heck even age :coughthorcough:. O_o I don't understand why people view Christianity so politically because that's not the way I see it. Maybe in extremely conservative places in the South where they'll still kill a black man for going out with a white woman (call me stereotypical, I have my reasons for disliking extreme conservative Christians from the South, especially South Carolina), but not in the ghettos of Brooklyn, not in the projects of El Barrio. That's what I don't understand about this whole attack on Christianity. It doesn't make sense to me. I understand that many Christians come off in a very offensive and oppressive manner, but seriously... there's a good amount of us that don't even know what you guys are talking about. That went from crack-dealing to praying. And we still get ridiculed for friggin praying. I don't see the Muslims getting slapped in the face for praying. And they feel more inclined to force their religion on you, especially in my school. It's like a friggin haven here. T_T This is Allah's kingdom. Don't get it twisted lolDouble standards man... don't throw us all into the same group. Be detailed if you like but don't make it sound like we all have the same perception of Christianity, that we all do the same things.

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If you thought I was saying you're the same as thor, then I either phrased it badly or you misinterpreted. My point was exactly what you just said, so many Christians have similar views but different ways of approaching it, yet all of this is supposed to come from one book. Obviously there is something wrong with the book or else this wouldn't be happening.

I couldn't tell. Maybe I misunderstood.

It's annoying when you get back-talks from extremely conservative Christians and from non-believers. Honestly, when you guys argue I have no idea what the heck you guys are talking about lol. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.... Thats why I feel there is some severe segregation in Christianity, and I don't mean racially.

Originally Posted By: deekI totally agree. A lot of people don't know how to read the Bible. They read the way their leaders read it which is, almost always, wrong.How do you know this? How have you been gifted with the ability to see the truth when so many others haven't. It is equally likely that you are wrong and they are right. If a book was written by God or even divinely inspired by Him, then don't ya think it would be better? That everyone would pick it up and get the exact same message instantly? Surely an almighty being who can invent sunsets and rainbows can write a book that everyone can understand. Originally Posted By: deekThe Bible does not teach this, it teaches love, compassion, and if you acctually read it, in a version you understand (The Message is ok), is a very exciting book with drama, betral, and so on. I've been reading the bible for several months now, and have studied it quite a bit, including its history. Where is the love in stoning adulterers to death and why isn't this done any more? How about killing disobedient children or people who work on the Sabbath? Why did God tell Moses to ask the Pharaoh for the freedom of the Jews while at the same time, hardening the Pharaoh's heart so he would never grant the request, this resulting in several plagues including the death of all the Egyptian first-borns?

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14

I couldn't tell. Maybe I misunderstood.

Well I don't know which one of us was at fault. All I know is that I would never want to hurt your feelings or make you think that I'm attacking you. Thats the problem with religion, its so close to people's hearts that its taken extremely personally when it is questioned.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14

It's annoying when you get back-talks from extremely conservative Christians and from non-believers. Honestly, when you guys argue I have no idea what the heck you guys are talking about lol. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.... Thats why I feel there is some severe segregation in Christianity, and I don't mean racially.

Well if you wanted, you could do some intensive Bible studying with me. Maybe I could turn you over to the dark side! :P

Quote:Thats the problem with religion, its so close to people's hearts that its taken extremely personally when it is questioned. I try not to take it personally, specifically because of that reason. That's why I try to view God outside the realm of labeled religions and mainly as a relationship. I mean I thought that's what the basis of religion was... having a relationship with God.I don't know.. I hate talking about religion lol. It's such a touchy subject.

Quote:I don't understand why people view Christianity so politically because that's not the way I see it. but it is, my friend. Politics is the driving force behind all organised religion. All of it, no exceptions. It's human nature. Faith, belief, spirituality, sexuality, all very personal; add a few friends, like minded individuals, a church, and it's political.Your own life experience proves it.

how?actually don't answer that lol

I have been gifted with knowing what it feels like to be mentally hurt by the people who think they know the Bible, which has helped me to see what I strongly beleive is the Truth. People read different things in to the Bible, because they are different people. Just like if I read a poem and you read a poem we may get two completly different thoughts on that poem. Those laws were put in by the Pherohseys, they were tge religious cops, and they did not follow Gods plan. The love and compassion is in the New Testament. I do not know all, I only know what I beleive is correct. I do not like to talk about religion, either. It's a very complicated subject.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14how?actually don't answer that lol I don't have to answer, you already know. You've been a victim of your fellow Christians. Do you think these "good" people understand you? I don't, because I know they don't understand me. I think I understand you a little bit. you're a thoughtful person, wise beyond your years. Don't limit your self with the dogma, be free, be beautiful, be yourself

aww I understand what you mean.thanks

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousSurely an almighty being who can invent sunsets and rainbows can write a book that everyone can understand.Surely He did. But it requires a completely open mind...one that is not fettered with preconceived ideas based on what one believes might make them feel good or feel bad. If you can't get passed those hurdles, you can't "get it".

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14why isn't the Qu'ran or any other "holy book" ridiculed as much as the Bible...Excellent question. I doubt you'll get a straight answer on this board, though.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousYou live in a country where there are Christians who are trying to impose Christian beliefs and dogma into areas where it doesn't belong.As a non-Christian and non-citizen of this country, how would you know where these things belong? You don't...not for a minute. You simply do not know what you're talking about. This country was started by Christians and so we will naturally find its influence throughout its fabric. But why do you not speak, ever, of how Muslims (for example) are imposing their beliefs in other countries? Why bob...why? Is it because it's not cool for some reason?