I've read a number of posts in here of people saying they want to commit suicide. And I gotta say, I feel for ya, I really do. But the fact is, if you're serious about such actions, you're a pussy. I'll give you a little background. I can't remember a day that suicide never crossed my mind. I even just wrote a paper for the legalization of assisted suicide. I'm as pro-suicide as they come. And I also study psychology and sociology which help me understand this topic fairly well.Now I know some people are saying "oh my god I can't belive he called them pussies! He must be a real mental case!". Well I did, and yes. And here's why:It's not that I'm insensitive, quite the opposite. If you're going through something "traumatic", chances are you're over reacting and I've been through it so looking back I would know. The only reason I'm here today is that I didn't have access to a gun for most of my life. And I know you're saying "well why not take pills & alcohol or cut your wrists?". I couldn't get pills & drink, I was sick for a long time, very sick, so I couldn't go get the stuff. And cutting my wrists? Well I just know I couldn't cut my self.So how about I get to the point. Some people say they will commit suicide because they have no friends. So you have no friends, it's not the end of the world. What do they do for you anyways? 90% of all my 'friends' in life have always ended up stabbing me in the back. I know sometimes you feel you need to be social. But what if you don't get that social void filled are you going to die horribly? No, after a little while you get used to it, maybe even enjoy your seclusion. Before you know it you've made new friends. Why kill yourself over a feeling that'll be gone soon?People making fun of you? Fuck em! Do you like them? Then why do care what they think about you? You need to learn to stop looking at yourself in their eyes and look at yourself in your own eyes. What do you like about yourself? What do you hate about yourself (not what does every one else hate about me)? You don't like something? Why not? Because everyone else doesn't like it? Think individually, not communally. As I said before, someone doesn't like you for you, fuck em. There's no reason to care what they think.And those of you that got fired or failed something, now you feel like a complete and utter failure. The fact is you're not a failure, you're average. It's rare that a person is exceptional at something. Psychology says that humans have this fallacy that makes us beleive that we are special. Nobody is special, we are all just a speck in this world. All we do is live for a very short amount of time then die, nothing special about that. You failed? Lost your job? Now you feel like there is nothing you can do to get back on track. I know what that's like, I dropped out of college cause I couldn't get my GPA very high, joined that Army. Then mid training, I messed up my leg really bad, so they sent me home. Leg thing wasn't my fault, but it was still something I failed to accomplish in life. What good is sitting around moaning about a failure? Just compose yourself and say, "Okay, now what?". Just move on, there's always another job out there for you, or goal for you to reach for. If everyone killed themselves over a little failure, then there would be a very small world population. Now giant failures, like Hitler failing to conquer the world, yeah go ahead and kill yourself, cause otherwise someone will do it for ya.I can just go on like this but I'm not going to. The whole point of this is just to say "tomorrow is another day", I know you may be feeling depressed, but I guarantee if you give it 2 months time, you'll look back and say "Damn, I'm glad I didn't go through with it." If you can't handle being tortured for a small amount of time and you puss out and kill yourself; you're a pussy. Just deal with life one day at a time. There's no such thing as a hopless situation.This post will probably be deleted soon anyways since it's not very 'PC'
Suicidal? Get over it
Hi Mike, posts here don't get deleted because they're not PC, and I think this post could be very helpful to some people.I personally don't agree with absolutely every point - I think people are special, for example, since no-one is identical to anyone else - but everyone can have their own opinion.
iup, very good post , but only probl is that noobs don`t bother reading old posts and start new ones even if they would have found the answer here
what are you talking about? this isn't an old thread
in 2 days it will be
I guess it's a good post. But you've missed several points. Just because you got over it does not mean that everyone can get over it. The issues you spelled out are a few major issues, but you've also left out many many other things that can cause someone to committ suicide. Also, you mentioned each thing individually, what about the people who have all or some of the issues mentioned at once? You failed to mention that.
Everyone can overcome.
suicide... read this first
If you are feeling suicidal now, please stop long enough to read this. It will only take about five minutes. I do not want to talk you out of your bad feelings. I am not a therapist or other mental health professional - only someone who knows what it is like to be in pain.
I don't know who you are, or why you are reading this page. I only know that for the moment, you're reading it, and that is good. I can assume that you are here because you are troubled and considering ending your life. If it were possible, I would prefer to be there with you at this moment, to sit with you and talk, face to face and heart to heart. But since that is not possible, we will have to make do with this.
I have known a lot of people who have wanted to kill themselves, so I have some small idea of what you might be feeling. I know that you might not be up to reading a long book, so I am going to keep this short. While we are together here for the next five minutes, I have five simple, practical things I would like to share with you. I won't argue with you about whether you should kill yourself. But I assume that if you are thinking about it, you feel pretty bad.
Well, you're still reading, and that's very good. I'd like to ask you to stay with me for the rest of this page. I hope it means that you're at least a tiny bit unsure, somewhere deep inside, about whether or not you really will end your life. Often people feel that, even in the deepest darkness of despair. Being unsure about dying is okay and normal. The fact that you are still alive at this minute means you are still a little bit unsure. It means that even while you want to die, at the same time some part of you still wants to live. So let's hang on to that, and keep going for a few more minutes.
Start by considering this statement:
"Suicide is not chosen; it happens
when pain exceeds
resources for coping with pain."
That's all it's about. You are not a bad person, or crazy, or weak, or flawed, because you feel suicidal. It doesn't even mean that you really want to die - it only means that you have more pain than you can cope with right now. If I start piling weights on your shoulders, you will eventually collapse if I add enough weights... no matter how much you want to remain standing. Willpower has nothing to do with it. Of course you would cheer yourself up, if you could.
Don't accept it if someone tells you, "that's not enough to be suicidal about." There are many kinds of pain that may lead to suicide. Whether or not the pain is bearable may differ from person to person. What might be bearable to someone else, may not be bearable to you. The point at which the pain becomes unbearable depends on what kinds of coping resources you have. Individuals vary greatly in their capacity to withstand pain.
When pain exceeds pain-coping resources, suicidal feelings are the result. Suicide is neither wrong nor right; it is not a defect of character; it is morally neutral. It is simply an imbalance of pain versus coping resources.
You can survive suicidal feelings if you do either of two things: (1) find a way to reduce your pain, or (2) find a way to increase your coping resources. Both are possible.
Now I want to tell you five things to think about.
You need to hear that people do get through this -- even people who feel as badly as you are feeling now. Statistically, there is a very good chance that you are going to live. I hope that this information gives you some sense of hope.
Give yourself some distance. Say to yourself, "I will wait 24 hours before I do anything." Or a week. Remember that feelings and actions are two different things - just because you feel like killing yourself, doesn't mean that you have to actually do it right this minute. Put some distance between your suicidal feelings and suicidal action. Even if it's just 24 hours. You have already done it for 5 minutes, just by reading this page. You can do it for another 5 minutes by continuing to read this page. Keep going, and realize that while you still feel suicidal, you are not, at this moment, acting on it. That is very encouraging to me, and I hope it is to you.
People often turn to suicide because they are seeking relief from pain. Remember that relief is a feeling. And you have to be alive to feel it. You will not feel the relief you so desperately seek, if you are dead.
Some people will react badly to your suicidal feelings, either because they are frightened, or angry; they may actually increase your pain instead of helping you, despite their intentions, by saying or doing thoughtless things. You have to understand that their bad reactions are about their fears, not about you.
But there are people out there who can be with you in this horrible time, and will not judge you, or argue with you, or send you to a hospital, or try to talk you out of how badly you feel. They will simply care for you. Find one of them. Now. Use your 24 hours, or your week, and tell
Number 5 seems to be missing.
* Send an anonymous e-mail to The Samaritans * Call 1-800-SUICIDE in the U.S. * Teenagers, call Covenant House NineLine, 1-800-999-9999 * Look in the front of your phone book for a crisis line * Call a psychotherapist * Carefully choose a friend or a minister or rabbi, someone who is likely to listen But don’t give yourself the additional burden of trying to deal with this alone. Just talking about how you got to where you are, releases an awful lot of the pressure, and it might be just the additional coping resource you need to regain your balance.5 Suicidal feelings are, in and of themselves, traumatic. After they subside, you need to continue caring for yourself. Therapy is a really good idea. So are the various self-help groups available both in your community and on the Internet.Well, it’s been a few minutes and you’re still with me. I’m really glad.Since you have made it this far, you deserve a reward. I think you should reward yourself by giving yourself a gift. The gift you will give yourself is a coping resource. Remember, back up near the top of the page, I said that the idea is to make sure you have more coping resources than you have pain. So let’s give you another coping resource, or two, or ten...! until they outnumber your sources of pain.Now, while this page may have given you some small relief, the best coping resource we can give you is another human being to talk with. If you find someone who wants to listen, and tell them how you are feeling and how you got to this point, you will have increased your coping resources by one. Hopefully the first person you choose won’t be the last. There are a lot of people out there who really want to hear from you. It’s time to start looking around for one of them.Now: I’d like you to call someone.
this really helps im not suicidal but i have a freind who nearly did and i tried to talk her out of it but i failed now next time maybe i wint she didnt kill herself but it wasnt from me her freind showed up just as i told her my last reason so her frind talked her outof it
Her friend may have been able to talk her out of it just because of what you had said to her. You never know what a difference your words may have caused.
according to her her freind walked in and took the knife from her i may have just delayed her long enough but that was it.