menotme - if you don't want to be gay, then stop doing the things you've been doing with other guys. Period. what you describe is basically what gay guys do. if you don't want to be gay and keep doing what you're doing, i'm sorry to say you're heading in a direction you won't be able to turn back from. Ask girls out and see how you feel with them. You might discover then that in fact you don't really want to be with girls but with guys... or that you like girls and what came before was just a phase u went through. I know no 15 year old likes to hear this... but you are still a very young kid... i think you should slow this sexual activity down. your sexuality is special and should be for a special girl... or guy... you are only confusing yourself, way too soon in your life, going around doing all of this stuff.
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Confused 15 year old guy....
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Its not that simple...plus he isnt acting "gay" exactly...you can still be "straight" and do all the things you want to...truthfully I believe that no one is exactly gay or straight....look at your past, even if you are completely homophobic there has been one time in your life where you've run into a gay experience...its just how you react to it that shows what kind of person you are...what he's doing isnt bad either...its natural...sure he probably does it more or even less than other people...but seeing his age and his story it looks like a simple curious emotion...don't worry I'm a year younger than you menotme and have similar incidents to yours...PM me menotme if you want...i'm here ^_^
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Everyone gets so wound up about all of this. As I see it as long as a) you don't get a nasty infection and b) you don't hurt anyone emotionally, then why not just enjoy yourself?You can't help what you are and who you are sexually attracted to. You are young and it ok to experiment and enjoy sex of whatever sort you like as long as you are safe.What you do now will not change your overall sexuality, ok it's a good idea to get to know girls on a personal level and develop social and relationship skills but enjoy whatever sex you want whilst you are young and whilst you can. Who cares about being 'gay' or 'straight'?
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you must chose to be gay or bi-sexual...it is not a really natural thing...if you tell yourself that you like girls and not guys...then you arent gay or bi...experimentation is a good thing early on in life...it gives you knoweledge and tells you if you like guys more or girls...
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In reply to: Since I don't want to be gay/bi, is it just my brain confused, or am I actually gay/bi? I have read over the internet and these forums and my questions aren't answered. I don't know if there is a difference between liking a guy and getting an erection over him, and wanting to actually like him and get an erection. I just dont' want to be gay. So, what do you guys think. Sorry for the long message. It's just your hormones. You can be whatever you want. I don't believe in the crap about people being "born gay" and having no choice.
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You can believe what you want but you don't know what you are talking about, and the fact is you are born gay or straight and there is nothing you can do about it.In fact everyone is a bit of both and very few are exclusively one or the other. It is how you chose to act on your natural sexuality that determines how society sees you and what you class yourself as. If you don't believe me then I can quote loads of research at you - try Masters and Johnson for a start.
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You can believe what you want but you don't know what you are talking about, and the fact is you are born gay or straight and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's an interesting theory but I don't buy it.
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- In reply to: the fact is you are born gay or straight and there is nothing you can do about it 2. In reply to: It is how you chose to act on your natural sexuality 1. False2. Partially true, ultimately false.There has been a lot of research done on a 'gay gene' and I have studied a lot of it. No such specific gene affecting sexuality has or probably ever will be found. No one gene can affect a person's sexuality. HOWEVER, recent studies, within just the last month, have focused research on whether or not the right combination of certain genes can produce a hormonal or chemical imbalance leading one away from the procreative norm. The research over this isn't in much depth yet, but it is a possibility that this could be the case.http://www.narth.com/docs/fading.htmlhttp://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28505http://www.narth.com/docs/essentialist.htmlhttp://www.narth.com/docs/istheregene.htmlhttp://www.narth.com/docs/innate.htmlThere are many good articles about it on the National Association for research and therapy of homosexualityIf it is not the case, then it is 100% choice. The question, though, is if it is caused by a chemical or hormonal imbalance, does that make it moral, and should it go untreated? Let me use this analogy. My dad was abusive. He would regularly take out his anger on family members and family pets. One day my mom got tired of it and sent him to a mental health institution for counseling. She knew that most people were not regularly abusive in such ways. They found out though, that it was not all because of the environment he grew up in. He had a chemical imbalance that caused him to be more angry and get more easily agitated than most people. While he may have at some level had a choice to control it, he did not know how and hardly even realized what he was doing. So it was genetic. Does this mean that we should leave it untreated, and let him beat us because that's 'who he is' or should we help him seek help, and try to find a medical cure for his imbalance since it's hurting both his family and his personal and work life? Should we help him find a way to treat it and to live a normal lifestyle? Of course. He got counseling on how to deal with his anger, and also pills to tone it down a bit, and he's much better now, and much happier with who he is.However, there's one problem with this analogy. It assumes, for it to be accurate, that homosexuality is dangerous to self and others and is a threat to society just as anger and abusiveness is. While many people do not see that it is hurting anything, almost any legitimate research shows evidence to the contrary.It IS a medical condition (on the presupposition that it is caused by chemical imbalances, which hasn't been shown yet) While some may see it as acceptable in society, many do not, and it is not the accepted norm. We could just as easily incorporate abusiveness into society and assume it as moral. (my dad had the same chemical imbalance causing anger that is found in many 3rd degree murderers...should that be allowed into society as practicing acceptable behavior? My opinion is that they may as well be if we accept homosexuality as well) One example of evidence is that STD's are spread most wildly amongst the homosexual population in comparison to the heterosexual. This is usually caused by anal sex (in males) so it would be a great help in countering the current STD problem if people would be more careful in considering the consequences before acting. A second negative impact on society by homosexuality is the impact on younger generations and kids of homosexuals. Yes, many kids of homosexuals grow up straight, and some grow up gay. More kids from homosexual families grow up to be gay than straight than in heterosexual families. (this also shows that it is more an issue of environment rather than genetics because homosexual couples can't have kids on their own except through previous engagements or insemination) Still though, more kids being gay doesn't seem to be a problem for most people, until one considers the mental problems of a child raised by homosexuals. Some studies have shown that homosexual families are less stable, more angry and abusive, and children also have problems with social skills and interacting with others normally (usually through fear of other kids finding out) school work, sexual identity, and many other problems have been seen. Some kids grow up mentally and sexually healthy out of a homosexual home, and while some grow up unhealthy mentally and sexually through heterosexual parents, the healthiest typically come out of a heterosexual home because they have less issues to worry about. I’m not at all saying that ALL homosexual families aren’t capable of raising children well, but raising children healthily isn’t the norm for the typical homosexual ‘family’Here’s some research on homosexual families.http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,29901,00.htmlhttp://www.family.org.au/journal/2001/j20010728.htmlhttp://www.familyresearchinst.org/FRR_01_06.htmlhttp://www.narth.com/docs/does.htmlThere are many other websites giving new information that agrees with this idea, and many others that confirm the evidence given here.So I guess what I said in this was homosexuality is a choice. If you don’t want it, don’t choose it. Sometimes, in light of the possibility that sexual orientation is caused by an imbalance, one must try a little harder to achieve the goals of the choice made. If you have this chemical imbalance, menotme, or anybody else struggling with this issue, but you really don’t want to be gay, putting in a little extra effort to overcome it will be well worth it because you’ll be happier knowing you’re being who you want to be. If your choice didn’t affect the society you live in, and if homosexuality wasn’t shown to have a negative impact on families in general, then the choice would be arbitrary. However, that’s not the case, so choose wisely and do what’s best for you, your family, and your country.To answer more questions from the original post, a 15 year old can get an erection from pretty much anything, especially something with a sexual stigma, like ANYBODY nude. By wanting to see him, you aren't gay, more or less just bicurious, which is normal for most. Just because it's normal doesn't mean that action should be taken, however, such as to ask to jerk him off. Sexual addiction is also very common and it's best to avoid it, especially at your age. It's your decision, nobody can choose for you, but just be careful.
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Damn! Where do you guys get the time?
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Once again, you have applied sanctimonious bullshit with the enthusiasm of Robert S. McNamara dumping Agent Orange on the Mekong Delta.Next I suggest you pontificate, ad nauseum, on the merits of eugenics.
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In other words Fighter, your opinion is not welcome here. It doesn't matter if it's right or wrong, how much research you offer to back up your point of view, or how much these boards encourage folks to share their opinion cause the best way for us to learn is to listen to different perspectives...You and you alone are not welcome to post your opinion.Sheesh!
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That is sooo mean Damien!!!
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You may not like or care for his opinion, but please lets not tell people to go away. F22 is an intelligent writer and his opinions may differ, but there is no reason to have him shunned.
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In reply to: That is sooo mean Damien!!! Now I'm confused.That post was totally sarcastic. I don't get why unsupervised had trouble with Fighter's post, other than he just doesn't like Fighter.If I came across as serious about that, I apologize. Thanks for pointing it out.
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there is no reason to have him shunned
he is quite capable of accomplishing that on his own
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wait a second here f22, did you just compare homosexuality to your father beating you?oh my god f22, you are such a bigot.listen up confused 15 yrl old do NOT listen to F22. he is wrong. listen to opinions, all f22 does is find facts that fit into his ideal and spout off that they are the 'truth' despite the fact that they RARELY have any merit.
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In reply to: I don't get why unsupervised had trouble with Fighter's post, other than he just doesn't like Fighter It's the content, not the author (and I needed an excuse to chuck a McNamara reference in there)
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I like everyone!!!!
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In reply to: do NOT listen to F22...listen to opinions, all f22 does is find facts Do you want to rethink what you just said, Last? I'm sure there's a more intelligent way to say that...Apparently according to Last, Foxnews, or any other well known, well respected national or world-wide organization has absolutely no merit. Find your own research if you want, I've never discouraged that. I only say what I know.
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I'm sorry, but FOXnews is in no way respectable, they are the most biased news station in America!!!!
