**I am sure one day someone will 'prove' whether being gay is a choice, genetic, but as it is neither of you can prove anything - what i have to say is that from the non-gay camp it always comes across as its a choice - and from the gay camp , as not a choice.........I would have to say personally i think that Gay people would kinda understand what being gay is better than us that arn't..............did that make ANY sense at all??? LOL **
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AM I GAY
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No, i didnt miss the pointits probably possible for a body to create an antivirus for a virus in its body, but comparing being gay to 'diseases' is kind of, erm, stupid enough.
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see the problem is that there are people for the 'gay' camp that say it is a choice. however those people are hushed, they're not part of the majority so why would the media talk about them.
also another reason for the 'gay' camp to say it's not choice, is because if it was they would have to accept responsibility for thier actions. why do some serial killers (or pediphials or rapists) say they're 'born like that'? so that they don't have to accept responsibilty for what they do/have done (mostly within themselves).
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there are also people from the non gay camp that say its not a choice. LOL
did u choose to be straight? seriously, did u choose to fall in love witha girl? bet u didnt :x -
In reply to: what about spirtual beleifs? christians get ridiculied no matter where they are, from the verbal insults and put downs in the USA to being killed in Africa and Estern coutries. i mean we KNOW they chose it Okay first I have to ask how old you are? Because by that statement it lets me know you are not understand the information I gave you. First off you cannot compare homosexuality to spiritual belief. First off spiritual belief is a choice. I have known people who were raised in a catholic home and always went to catholic church but once they were of age to decide on their own, they went to a different religion. Spiritualism is very much a choice.Homosexuality is far from a choice. I have known I was gay for a long time I just never accpeted it because I was scared. But when I was 17 I sat down and really thought about my feelings and I came to grips with myself being gay. I tried for a long time to be straight because the gay life is so hard. There's was a brief moment my ex and I broke up after a year of dating and I tried to tell myself I was straight and went out with this beautiful girl. There was just nothing there. My ex and I got back together and spent 4 more wonderful years together.So as for you saying "Oh you can be straight if you want to, you just got to tell your brain" is so far fetched. I tried telling my brain that for YEARS before I came to grips with who I am.Now am I a person that believes heartily in science to solve everything.. trust me, no way. BUT I don't dismiss science either. Science has dome some truely wonderful things.Also, you made a comment on people diagnosed with cancer and when they went back to the doctor it was no longer there. First off, it's rather difficult to mis-diagnosed cancer. You also said in the same paragraph that the body cannot just heal itself. That's very false, Your body is an amazing tool. People have been known to be cured of cancer with no treatment. Sometimes your own body is the best medicine.Basically to sum this all up, homosexuality is not a choice, it's just part of who you are, not what you are. We are just as normal as you are. We have to breath the same air, drink the same water and we bleed the same blood. You should never judge a person on their sexuality, but instead if you are going to judge, do it on their personality.
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In reply to: No, i didnt miss the pointits probably possible for a body to create an antivirus for a virus in its body, but comparing being gay to 'diseases' is kind of, erm, stupid enough. wow man u ARE missing the point. i was playing on ur side of the field saying that if u were born w/ it who's to say u don't 'grow out of it'?
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In reply to:also another reason for the 'gay' camp to say it's not choice, is because if it was they would have to accept responsibility for thier actions. That implys they are doing something wrong????Serial killers, rapist and pedophiles hurt people and destroy lives.......... i can't see how you can compare them and gay people. Being gay only seems to be hurtful for the gay person, the way people change their attitude towards them, people being abusive etc etc.........like the guys say, if they had a choice, surely being married with 2.4 children is the easy option.
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then givea good example of growing out of smth, and not 2 diseases, plx, kkthx. and lol at 2.4 childreni dont want the average amount of kids!D:
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LOL i have 3 kids, does that mean to be 'normal' i have to chop off bits of them to make one of em into the .4????
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4 kids
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**I am always doing that arn't i :frowning: *slaps self* i think its cos you don't annoy me and cause me stress and make me short of money like the others do LOL *big hugs* **
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well let's see, here's a novel idea! you say 'gay is not a choice, blah blah blah' and i'll say 'gay is a choice, blah blah blah'. neither of us are an expert on the matter, nor is their proof of what either of us speak. so to be honest, basically we're talking about opinions to each other. which, as i can see, is not going to go anywhere. my age? why would that have to do w/ anyhing? you say i don't know what i'm talking about b/c i compare the choice of spirituality to the choice to be gay? i'm obviously simply comparing 2 choices.
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In reply to: well let's see, here's a novel idea! you say 'gay is not a choice, blah blah blah' and i'll say 'gay is a choice, blah blah blah'. neither of us are an expert on the matter, I think a gay person is more of an 'expert' on being a gay man, than a straight man is!
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expert, as in have either one of us studied the lives of a number of gays (whether they bleive they're born w/ it or not). that's all i ment, i'm married but i'm not an expert on marriage. i have sex but i'm not an expert on sex....yet, j/k.
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Reply to Angel: In reply to: I think a gay person is more of an 'expert' on being a gay man, than a straight man is! Exactly! He has no idea what being gay is like or understand the emotions/feelings we have.Now to MNM23: In reply to: you say 'gay is not a choice, blah blah blah' and i'll say 'gay is a choice, blah blah blah'. neither of us are an expert on the matter, nor is their proof of what either of us speak You're right, there isn't much scientific data to prove either as true. But there is a lot more scientific proof that homosexuality is not a choice, but instead something you are born with. In reply to: so to be honest, basically we're talking about opinions to each other. which, as i can see, is not going to go anywhere Actually I am not giving you an opinion, I'm giving you the truth. Being a gay man I can honestly tell you without a doubt I did not choose to be gay, this is part of who I am. And if it was a choice, I'd be straight in a heart beat, but sorry thats something I cannot change. In reply to: my age? why would that have to do w/ anyhing? Age does matter. I (as well as other who posted) am giving you straight forward information about what being gay is really about. You play it off as something so simple and something that's just "in your head" Well it's not. Let me see if I can say it a little different. You know how being straight for you just feels natural? Well that's how it feels for us homosexuals, it feels natural. That's because it's part of who we are, not something we can change on a given whim. In reply to: you say i don't know what i'm talking about b/c i compare the choice of spirituality to the choice to be gay? i'm obviously simply comparing 2 choices. Wrong. Homosexuality and spirituality are totally opposites and cannot be compares. Again I will stress, spirituality is something a person can change any given time if they so choose. Homosexuality is not like a light switch that can be turned on and off at a persons request. You try and make this topic sound soo easy, which is a reason I asked your age because (and I'm not trying to be rude) you're not using general logic. Again I give you the question: Do you really HONESTLY think gay people would choose a life where they will be ridiculed, laughed at, and possible physically attack?
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Again I give you the question: Do you really HONESTLY think gay people would choose a life where they will be ridiculed, laughed at, and possible physically attack?
and again i ask what about Christians who are killed just for beleiveing in some 'light switch flipped on' spirituality?
i never said it was EASY. just like telling my aunt "just know and beleive you don't have arthritis, and you'll be cured". i didn't mean it was like a "light switch".
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i thought gays were ppl like everyone else they just more prefer to be with one sex (male)more then the other is all.wether it be by choice or genetics who knows. its not a virus and if one is not happy with what they r doing they can always change it
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Yes, those christians choose to believe that.
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In reply to: and again i ask what about Christians who are killed just for beleiveing in some 'light switch flipped on' spirituality? I dunno..maybe I'm still tired or I had to much to drink last night but..where's the similarities??Again spirituality is a choice, it's soemthing they strongly believe in. I don't strongly believe I'm gay, I KNOW I'm gay and I KNOW it's not by choice. These people who are dying over their religion are doing it by choice because it's something they believe in.Homosexuality it not as simple. I never chose to be gay, I didn't just wake up one day and say "you know, today I feel like being gay". Instead, it's something I was born with. It's something I cannot just change like I could a religion. I defend myself on being gay not because it's my belief, but because it's part of who I am, something that's unchanging and cannot be changed.
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can i ask u some? u are happy with who u r with right? but its the idea of what being gay that u don't like? i am trying to understand it from u veiw.