Tupac Amaru Shakur

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Hey guys,

Are there any big fans of Tupac out there? And I'm not just talking about his music... just everything about him.

For some reason I'm really interested in him.. (yes I'm white, so what) I love reading abuot him and his life... about his struggles and opinions... even the theories about his death are really appealing to me...

I'm 100% sure he is dead but I can understand why people make up theories (like the reoccurence of the number "7" everywhere) about his death.... they just don't want to believe he is dead ... it's like when Elvis died... people thought he was still out there because they didn't want to accept that he has left this earth... but as much as I would want Tupac to be alive, I'm sure he's dead .... there's plenty of "suggestions" why he was murdered which we can discuss if anyone here is interesting in Tupac like me...

Tupac fans will know that he studied the teachings of the italian political philosopher Niccolo Machiavelli (1469-1527) ... I plan on (sometime) reading "The Prince" and "The Art of War" which is the same stuff that Tupac read and studied... maybe I'll see what Tupac found so interesting about him (by the way, for those who don't know Tupac made a song "The Prince")

His songs... eventually I want to have a "collection" of every Tupac song out there... get every album... I could just download all the albums from Bearshare or Kazaa but I would rather buy them .... just out of respect for him ... so far I don't have many songs/albums because I don't have that much money or opportunities to get his stuff but I'll get it eventually... but what are some of you guy's favorite albums/songs from him?

Tupac also had a major influence on many people... everybody was watching him and watching what he does ... just as a little comparison ... on November 5, 1996, Death Row Records (Tupac's record company) released the final album of Tupac they would ever release titled "Makaveli - The Don Killuminati" or "The 7 Day Theory". November 5, 1996 was also election day... there were more people at music stores getting the album then there were at election booth's ... people may say this is just because Nov. 5, 1996 is shortly after his death (Sept. 13, 1996) but I still think the reason is just because Tupac has had such an influence on so many people...

Sorry for making this post so long, I got a little carried away :P

If I had known about Tupac back then I definetely would've been sad about it too... I dunno about crying, I don't cry much, but I would've been real down for a while... I was thinking earlier today where he would be if he was still alive today... he said he always wanted to get into politics, so maybe he'd be some senator or something... we'll never know Edit: Come to think of it, he wouldn't be able to be a senator. As far as I remember from Civics class you gotta be 35 to be a senator? He would've been 33 now (34 in June this year) so yah... maybe something else but probably something with politics :P

people know what he looks like, unless of course he got comsmetic surgery (dont see that happening). So he couldnt really do anything do publicthis is all of course is if he is still alive

Yeah, if he was alive... people would know. You can't hide for ... what is it now 8, almost 9, years? Pretty much impossible...

he COULD be hiding in cuba with his good ol buddy FIDEL just smokin them cigars. but them theories of him still being alive really make u think

It`s human nature to search for stuff like that. There were stuff like theese with Kennedy too. The bigger the star the more bullshit you get bombarded with

@NYC:Please don't insult 2 Pac by saying he was friends with Fidel Castro...@askghost:True, they do it with a lot of famous people.. they've even don eit with 9/11

I heard 50 cent shot tupac and he admits it in one of his songs, kind of

Do you have anything to base that on? Sounds ridiculous to me... who cares if 50 Cent said it in his song, nothing (or at least not much) of what he says in his songs he does... just like every other rapper... except 2 Pac of course He meant what he said most of the time

@insearch:

I wasn't insulting him. im probably the biggest 2pac fan out there. but i was just kiddin. guess some people dont like jokin around

I'm not big into the East Coast - West Coast shit, but a friend of mine I used to work with is big into rap music. He must have over hundreds of CDs both underground and big names, I was just over at his place one day and he was playing 50, I think it was "Many Men" or something where 50 makes a comment about how he survived 6 shots but Tupa couldn't do the same. He doesn't blatantly admit it but he spells it out. Also heard Suge Knight may have played a role.

50 does pretty much say he shot him"The feds didn't know much, when Pac got shot I got a kite from the pens that told me, Tuck got knocked I ain't gonna spell it out for you motherfuckers all the time Are you illiterate nigga? You can't read between the lines In the bible it says, what goes around, comes around Almost shot me, three weeks later he got shot down Now it's clear that I'm here, for a real reason 'Cause he got hit like I got hit, but he ain't fucking breathing"hes probably just coming up with rhymesbut that sounds like an admision to me

actually, I heard that he's crusing with Elvis in Bigfoot's UFO.Man, you Americans have strange heros. I prefer sixpac, myself.

sixpac? dude your fucking dumb, have you even listened to any of pacs songs or read his lyrics, he wasnt just some dumb gangster like some people think, he was actually really smart.

And insearch, i like what you said about pac, but not about 50. He isnt some flake like ja rule, the shit he says he does

Well 50 also says:Song: If I Can'tLyrics:"If I can't do it, homie, it can't be done"Song: "Don't Push Me"LYricS:Right now I'm on the edgeSo don't push meI aim straight for your headSo don't push meFill your ass up with leadSo don't push meI got something for your ass, keep thinking I'm pussy(I don't think he'd really do that... if you push his buttons he'll kill you? I doubt it)That's just stuff from two songs... I love 50 btw (at least his album Get Rich or Die Tryin)My point is, rappers just say that just because it sells... it is highlight unlikely and probably impossible that 50 shot 2Pac and even if he did shoot him why would he just go out and admit it? He's not stupid.I agree much more with the theory that Suge shot him... for many reasons... he was Executive Director (I think? I jsut know he was in some top position) of Death Row Records, the record company 2Pac was with. They owed him close to 10 million dollars I believe... so if they kill him they can drop the money they owe him (and of course Suge would want this, being in the top position) .... plus Death Row wouldn't make any more money of 2Pac after he made his own record company (Makaveli Records) .....Also, the only person who was even willing to talk to the police about the murder was Kadafi, also a member of Outlawz (2Pac was a member too) ... Kadafi was one of Tupac's best friends but he was killed shortly after his death... most likely because he knew something about Tupac's shooter...

I didn't flame 50, I like 50 a lot (his songs) ... I don't know much about 50 but if you have some evidence to prove that 50 was actually a "gangsta" aka did some of the shit he did... I think it's easy to say 2Pac did plenty stuff to show that he did most of the stuff he talke about... dunno about 50 though.Like I said if you can give me some evidence I'll be glad to say that "50 did what he raps about"

O ok good, but what evidence do you have for pac, as for 50 getting shot 9 times lol even though that happened to pac also but it was 5 time.

since when is it "gangster" to get shot and not shoot anybody back

Tupac always said what he thought was right... he didn't care if anyone liked it or not, he just said how it was with an attitude "if you can't take it... oh well"

I don't know details on 50 getting shot so I can't say much too that... but for Tupac... he got shot a few times (not sure how many right now) while walking out of a hotel .... he also had a court date to get too (rape case, he was innocent) but he was in the hospital... so what does he do? He checks himself out and rolls to the court in his wheelchair... do you think 50 would've done that? Tupac wanted to show everyone that he was innocent in the rape case and he didn't want a few "flesh wounds" stop hmi from proving that!

In reply to: sixpac? dude your fucking dumb lol, but not dumb enough to debate the merits of an artist based on his criminal record.