Tupac Amaru Shakur

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I don't think 50 had anything to do with 2Pac's murder. 50 Cent, Eminem and Busta Rhymes did a version of 2Pac's "Hail Mary". And the whole song is about how great 2Pac was and how crappy Ja Rule is now. They say: "If Pac was here now, he would never ride with Ja...."
I'm not really into rap, but I thought it was Biggie Smalls boys that shot him and in turn 2Pacs boys shot Biggie?? At least that's what I remember from when I was young.

Were werent talking about his crimal record, we where talking about his music/lyrics/realness of rap'' then we got into if 50 is real or not

Why would Biggie kill Tupac? They didn't want to kill each other... let me quote Tupac from an interview:Q: What about all the kids who look up to you and Biggie who don't understand all this?A: Regardless of all this stuff-no matter what he say, what I say-Biggie's still my brother. He's black. He's my brother. We just have a conflict of interest. We have a difference of opinion. They may have disagreed but I doubt they wanted to kill each other...

Was that before or after he made the song Hit em up lol. That song was crazy he was ranting on about killing him and his click and fucking his wife and shit

I dunno but when I first heard that song I was like "woah this is not like Tupac" Oo that was definetely one of his crazier songs.. Edit:Actually, from the same interview as above... the very next question after the one I posted above was:Q: How can we stop this disagreement before someone gets killed?A: I don't want it to be about violence. I want it to be about money. I told Suge my idea: Bad Boy make a record with all the East Coast niggas. Death Row make a record with all the West Coast niggas. We drop the records on the same day. Whoever sell the most records, that's who the bombest. And then we stop battling. We could do pay-per-views for charity, for the community. So I'm thinking that song was not for real... just about money... he thought it would sell so he made it

I think it was because after he heard 'Who shot yah' from biggie he thought biggie was refering to the last time pac got shot so he went crazy mad

That might be, I dunno...But I'm glad I'm not the only Tupac fan on here...

see, this is what strikes me as so wierd about this idolisation of criminals. Is your favorite rapper more of a hood than mine?
What if we were debating the merrit of nazy-skin bands? "your favorite only sings about white power but my favorite actually kills niggers".
I don't for a minute think that entertainers have a moral responsibility to be role models but I do believe that their fans have a responsibility to descern between shit and shinola.

You're calling Tupac a criminal? Why is he a criminal, tell me that. No one said Tupac was a criminal

I'm not calling anybody anything. It just seemed, for a while, that the debate became more about who was a real "gangsta" and the art of the artist was judged by the criminality of the artist.
I was a bit too critical and I appologise for that.

Well we kind of were, because some rappers rap about killing people but dontcough Ja rule cough lol. Its gangsta rap thats why they rap about that kind of stuff. And i think pac and 50 are both real, but 2pac is so much more then 50 like with his lyrics and everything