Christian question..

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Well keep in mind that from the apocrypha we learn that satan is actaully an angel(cheribum) in the employ of God whose job it is to test the faith of man. Satan comes from the greek term for advasary. In the 9th century after the council of laodicia convened to decide which books would be put in the bible, the books left out discussed satan role and the relationship he had with God and man. The book of Enoch, and some others clearly define the difference between satan and lucifer.
The book of Job essentially describes God sitting around with his buddies. Lucifer, at the time, was probably sitting around hell (which is on the 3rd layer of heaven, directly north from eden) complaining about being stuck in hell.

In reply to: So much sinning to do...so little time to do it. Speak for yourself. I intend to live forever; that's quite a long time in which to sin

That plan cannot fail!

"Speak for yourself. I intend to live forever; that's quite a long time in which to sin" No offense but that's the most stupid thing I've ever heard anyone say.

Wow, you've gotten really serious.

I could probably top it.

Well if wanking is a sin so be it, I will go to hell as I am not going to give it up.

you're only going to go if you havent accepted Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. He died for you, so that you can sin. You were born a sinner. Just try to take it easy on the masturbation, or stop altogether. He didn't die so you could as you like and repent on your death bed, he died so you won't go straight to hell for your sins, but you also have to try to change.

In other words, if you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, you have a get-out-of-jail-free card. You can get away with anything. But if you don't believe as BMoC believes, you are damned to everlasting hellfire torture. Hear that, Jews, Moslems, and Hindus? You're going down, unless you get your brains washed.

Well being 99.9% of the worlds population masturbate and the other .1% lie about it we are all dammed.

Good job i don't beleive in god then...........wipes brow

aight that was some twist you put on there man. way to go. I simply said: if you believe that the only way to heaven and God is through Jesus, then He will take you into his arms and you will live with Him in heaven. That's belief 101. It states that in the Bible. 'Only way to My father is through Me'. That has nothing to do with what I, BMoC say. I didn't write the Bible. But just because you believe that, doens't mean you get a "get out of jail free" card, as you put it. You will still have to answer for the sins you committed. That includes masturbation. Stop making it seem like everyone who has a reason to be good, in order to please whomever they believe (as in opposed to you) is brain-washed. just because they don't hold the same values that you hold, doesn't mean a damn thing.

Well I belive hell is what you make it. So there will be a place for wankers, were you are sent for eternity with no hands. ** sobs uncontrollably**

OK, I'm sorry, you're not a Christian.> Stop making it seem like everyone who has a reason to be good, in order to please whomever they believe (as in opposed to you) is brain-washed.If you're good because you fear the wrath of some angry diety, you're worse than brainwashed. You're a coward. You're not doing the right thing because it's right; you're doing it because you're afraid.> You will still have to answer for the sins you committed.Yeah, but it's a formality. Kind of like being accepted by Yale, but you can't attend until you get the hernia repaired.

Yeah, and your wanker may be burned off right along with your balls. Punishment enough huh? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

You will never understand, because you only believe in yourself. which is fine. but please stop trying to degrade me, and others who are Christians, simply because you do not believe as we do.

You will never understand, because you are brainwashed by a fundamentalist ideology...just like that of the fundamentalist Sunni Moslems who blow up trains, busses, and buildings.Smooches> Yeah, and your wanker may be burned off right along with your balls. Punishment enough huh?This is what your not-grounded-in-reality faith tells you. I could just as easily say that masturbation is the key to entering the kingdom of heaven. Now prove me wrong.

Ah, good ol' religious debate. There is ne'er a finer forum of irrational thrashing of half formed opinion. No other single subject can bring us all down to the same turgid level of mutual impotent annoyance.

Indeed. Except that in some countries, such as the one to your south, the religious folks have quite a bit of political influence, and would have us follow a more Taliban-like track. When everyone who wants an abortion; or needs a stem cell or two; or wants to learn about Darwin; or wants to see an R-rated movie has to go to Canada, they'll tell you all about it.

I'm overjoyed to live under a goverment thoroughly sepereted from church.