I love the Sheep Joke.....Well, informed conscent.... that is one of the arguments when we look at our animals as children. When we are regarding sexual matters, yeah.... children cannot really consent, because the are not sexually mature, physically, in some cases, but in all cases, not emotionally able to handle it) They are really talked into sex, and feel they have to comply because children are taught to "do as your told" by adults. Animals on the other hand, are sexually mature at 1 or 2 years old, and have no moral issues or shame or guilt to doing somethng that is natural to them, and is enjoyable. Yes a female animal will comply too if tied up and just waiting for it to be over. That is not the case with me and other zoophiles. We love and respect our mates. They know we are sexual arroused, and can smell the phermones, and know our desires. I have proved this many times, certainly not on purpose, but when I go hug and kiss a horse or cow, at the Fairgrounds or someplace.... I cant help how I feel, and I do get very arroused, the animal instantly responds and shows breeding behavior. This is all done with nothing more than kissess and caressing. They just know our desires and respond. In the case of a male, how can you force a male to get arroused, and mount you if they did not want to do it. My dog goes nuts and tries to hump my leg all the time, I just give him a better place to put it. He has no shame, or guilt. I am in the privacy of my home, and we both are enjoying a moment. The government has not right to be in our bedroom or Barns in that matter unless "real abuse" is present. I am not saying that abuse does not occur it does, and I am sure a lot of it is not reported, same as with sex with people.Each case has to be reviewd, with the facts present. We should not legislate laws (moral or otherwise) against having sex with an animal just based on sex... there needs to have some real abuse take place. We breed our animals all the time, and we force them to work, and we force them to have semen collections by electro-ejaculation. We force the female to accept a male even if she does not want it. We put them in cages, and force them into medical experiments....... then ultimately, we force them to be killed for thier meat, and body. I cant tell you how many times I have cried when walking in a Cattle Barn at the fair, and hugged and kissed the beef cattle. only to look up, and see the meat company's name on the tag. Or the Steak House who bought him. How do you think that makes us feel, seeing this poor animal on death row, and killing him is perfectly accepted to society, but with us, if you make them feel good sexual, you are considered abusive and subject ot horrible laws, worse than robbing a bank. As I stated before, it is very hard at times, knowing that so many people do not understand us.If a person is in the horse breeding industry, and is collecting semen by manual means, and we know the horse certainly enjoys it, well, the technician very well may be a zoosexual, and enjoys it too. What abuse has taken place. What is the difference if the same thing happens in the barn at home, and both members enjoy the event. I realize that I am not going to change anybody's mind here. We all have strong convictions about some things. I am only presenting these issues here for thought... to look at things maybe differently, and not with religious attancment, or what other people have told you, that may be wrong, or even what you always thought. There is animal abuse out there, There is sexual animal abuse that happens too I know, but we cant group all of us in the same catagory.