Okay people here are PHOTOS of me, 'Ugly Minger'

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In reply to:I know I'm a beautiful woman and I don't need anyone else to tell me otherwise. He's ugly and his attitude isn't helping him.Ohhh. Listen to you. So let me ask you, IF you were single and looking for a partner, and IF I had this great personality, would you consider a relationship/date with good old me?if not, WHY NOT? You see what's the point of putting on a fake smile just for people like you? It's not as if I'm gonna get it with people like you am I. Jeez.

In reply to:Even if you had a good personality and you still lacked self-confidence, I still would turn you down.What about if I had both? Come on Miss Shallow, answer that.

UM, you lack self-confidence, but you get angry and aggressive when someone agrees with your perception of yourself. It's not a good combination - but you can change. Not quickly, but slowly you can improve your self-confidence.

In reply to:Honestly? No, I wouldn't. Why? Because you aren't my type, to be blunt.oh this is funny now. "you aren't my type". I'm sure there's another meaning for that........ SO, what is your type then? Come on, tell us.

In reply to:Not quickly, but slowly you can improve your self-confidence. For whom exactly?

For yourself.

And what good will that do?

You'd be surprised what a little self-confidence can do for you...

...call me

no1sexpotinusa. Wow, and theres you saying you werent shallow earlier on. I notice you have the looks requirement right at the top of your checklist. I wonder what that means.

Guy...just let it go. If you talk to girls the way you talk on these boards, it's no wonder you might be having issues. Would you really go up to a girl and say, "hi, are you shallow?" Just let it go. There's someone for everyone, dude. Just stop wallowing in self pity and get your ass out there and just start approaching girls. The worse thing they can say is no...But I doubt any girl will say no, you're too ugly for me, sorry. If they do, FUCK EM!

You've become pretty annoying. Is really possible for anyone to be "ugly" and shallow? Youre just like every other guy in this world. You want the beautiful, trophy girlfriend. Youre just upset that THOSE girls wont give you the time of day. Do us all a favor and take this advicve: AIM LOW!!!

Actually, that (AIM LOW) is pretty good advice. But not low in terms of looks; low in terms of expecting to get laid right off the bat. You might want to think about cultivating a friendship with a woman, and forget about the sex part for now. Minger, it's like you're trying to run a sprint, and you can barely walk. You need to learn how to talk to a woman before worrying about getting laid.This "ugly" crap is just not plausible. I don't believe you.

I don't log on for two days and this is what happens...the same thing UM obviously doesn’t listen to the advice of those who are trying to help. I am starting to wonder if he wants to be helped. What it seems is that he secretly wants to be confirmed in his convictions but what it boils down to, as stated earlier, is that he gets angry with those who do agree with him. The truth to me is that I don't know if he will take the time to grow. When told that he can change and things can get better he didn't seem to care that it was for himself. UM, that is the problem. You don't give a damn about yourself in the emotional and probably the spiritual sense. On the outside that boils down to confidence but on the inside that can create shallowness or depression. The girls that matter can sense it miles away. You are alienating yourself from the people who care, especially if this is the way you are around your friends. If you truly want to succeed take time to reflect on these posts from those who are trying to help. And by time I don't mean the few minutes in reading the posts, I mean days, weeks, months, and maybe years. If you don't you will have nothing and lose what you do currently have. That is what I believe you are totally missing out on as of now.To no1-"And lastly, must be aware of what's going on in the world. Need to be able to have a decent conversation with him. "Is that lastly as in the last thing that matters? Either way, I don't know many people that have a clue as to whats going on in the world anyway. Good luck with that one.

In reply to:Do us all a favor and take this advicve: AIM LOW!!!Er, I never said in any post of my two topics that I aimed for the hot gitls only for christ's sake. You just think I do because I keep mentioning them!The fact is I don't, I try to go for the 'average' girls as it is, still no luck cause apparently I'm a 'freak' or their bitches of friends don't approve.

Then you're looking at the wrong girls. Don't look for the girls who need a gaggle of gal pals to tell them who they should be with. To me it really does seem like you're aiming for the qoute un qoute "hot girls" because that's all you see to be able to talk about. Forget about them, you don't need a hot chick hanging on your arm when you're at a club. Why go for something that will be gone in a few years anyways? Looks aren't everything, so quit making them out to be the only thing people care about.

In reply to: Well this is just rich isn't it cenfath. You claim that you dated the "hot" guys at school, and you say their attitudes were a total turn-off. You say your ex-bf's are now my ex's because they were dicks, arrogant, pompus, put you down and treated me like dirt. You see you say all that...but yet you still REFUSED to date the 'average'/'ugly' guys. How very rich. I didn't REFUSE to date an "average/ugly" guy. They never asked me and they never got to know me. They just assumed I would be a brat. The thing about these "hot" guys was that they came across as being nice and they turned out to be jerks. Get real with yourself before you start trying to slap me in the face with "how rich". In reply to: You say who cares if some "18 year old hottie with a boob job thinks you're not the best looking thing to hit the shelf.". Well I bet YOU WOULD CARE IF THE HOT GUYS DIDN'T THINK YOU'RE NOT THE BEST LOOKING THING TO HIT THE SHELF, meaning you wouldn't have been able to date the hot guys you say you have. I wonder what your attitude would've been like if you weren't ever able to date any hot guys and remain a virgin at 25 years old. Christ some people just don't realise what they've got until they get facially screwed in an accident or something..... Bah...Hooey...I am NOT the best looking girl in the world. I have a scar in the cleft of my upper lip from being hit in the face with a softball. I have a scar on the side of my face from where I was hit with a bat. I have a scar in the middle of my forehead from when I had the chicken pox I also have a scar to the side of my left eye where my aunt's cat attached herself to my face because my aunt's ex-husband scared the poor thing. Because of it my left eye is noticeably smaller than my right when I smile. I have a scar to the side of my nose from a fist fight I got into as a freshman in high school (I won by the way.) I also have a scar on the back of my neck from an accident that involved me, my brother and broken glass. So don't talk to me about whether or not I'm "good looking" I think I would know better than you. And dude I had braces up until my junior year of high school. You wanna talk about unattractive...having a mouth full of metal doesn't exactly score points with anyone. You wanna know what did it for most of the guys I dated? I didn't give a flying hoot what they thought of me. I'd go to school in my pajama's, no makeup, with my hair in a pony tail. Yep..that meant all the scars were showing. Makeup is a good thing for covering things up. Should I move on to the scars that I have all over the rest of my body from softball and other sports related injuries and accidents I've had? I didn't think so. My body is tattered, torn, bruised and scarred. I have every reason to have the lowest self-esteem possible, but I don't. I have a bad habit of thinking that I can only attract jerks. Oh and I repeat: I could give a flying hoot whether or not some "hot" guy think I'm the greatest thing to hit the shelf (just in case you haven't got the jist of it yet). In reply to: Oh boo-hoo. You THINK you're not stunning...but you still managed to date the hot guys which I think means something. Besides, you never know yourself how attractive/or un-attractive you are. Hot guys and girls are the best judges of that. It's usually the hot guys the hurts girls. I think that just about sums you up. I think I'm the BEST judge of how good I look. No one else. Some hot guy is not the best judge of how good looking I am. Don't go off assuming that because I dated some good looking guys that you can "sum me up". Because as I've already mentioned, I'm with what YOU would call an "average" looking man. He's not average to me at all. He's taking the time to get to know me. He's not trying to get me into bed. He doesn't treat me like yesterday's garbage. I guess you could say I consider him to be my George Strait. (Hey people, I consider George Strait damn sexy for an older guy). No he's not a dead ringer for George but for your information I don't feel a bit let down when I come home to my guy at the end of the evening after being out with my girlfriends and I see someone that you refer to as hot. Whether I'm away from my guy or I'm with him, I AM the luckiest girl in the world to have him. And you can take that to the bank. Don't try summing me up because you don't know anything about me.

The number of men in your age range that you're likely to meet in your area that meet all of your requirements is bound to be small. Then you'd have to meet their requirements, which would further shrink the pool.If your current boyfriend meets those requirements, then you'd better hang onto him. If you're single in another 20 years, I guarantee that your standards will drop.It reminds me of the Dilbert cartoon, where he was asked about his rquirements in a girlfriend. He wan't too picky, but she had to be a ballet dancer.

Spent last thirty minutes or so reading some old threads, and those issues keep coming up again and again.Mostly it looks like a guy starts to blame wrong things. Instead of finding out where the real problem lies, they go and start blaming something that they CANNOT change. Like looks. Well, of course you could pick up more healthy lifestyle and use the comb more often, but it is easier to blame their looks, than their personality for the reason why they cant find anyone.But for the good of me and for the good of other people who try to help others in this forum, there are guys who are more open and are more ready for all sorts of suggestions. Minger is not a man like that.Its interesting though. I also read a thread that was kinda a shrine to the nice guys.You know what? Im writing here though I should write there but didnt want to dig the old thread up.The concept of nice guys is taken wrong and misunderstood. It took me a while to understand WHY "nice guys finish last". This is wrong. I was one of those nice guys who finished last, this best friend material. This is a matter of honor, at least for me it is. Kinda this sort of personality that you really dont find in this world easily anymore. This sort of "modern knight". But no matter what "finishing last".However, thanks to some friends of mine (one of them who is a girl, and perhaps one of the few people who knows more of me than so many others), I did finally see the solution.The key difference is that nice guys tend to neglect sexuality.And sexuality is one of the things that does not ruin the nice guy image. But it can turn that nice guy into a bf material.Its not like its really hard or anything. Im going to be harsh and rude now, but FCK IT, just tell the girl she looks sexy, and not just "beautiful beautiful beautiful" all the time. I mean, you can be a nice guy, and can remain a nice guy but if the girl doesnt see any sexual energy coming from you, you shall forever be the nice-guy-finishing last.Its not like knights of the round table didnt get girls, so just dont get the concept and priorities of "nice guyness" wrong.For me it IS a matter of honor. Im a strong person, but always a gentleman. I also know that I have this sort of mental influence over people, for people tend to trust me easily, and open up to me if I just try a bit. Im this "best friend" to two good-looking girls who are both slightly younger than me. For me it is the matter of honor, being able to "be there when a dame needs". After I got through that "finish last" stage, where I did think all this was true, then now, at this moment, I LOVE being this "best friend" to two special people like that. Its sad to see how many nice guys think this is something silly. It isnt. But I understood that only after I opened myself up also in sexual ways to girls. This does not kill the "nice guy" lifestyle. It only shows the girl that you can not just be her best friend, but you can also perhaps be her mate for the life.But hey, Minger is not one of those nice guys, so it wont help him. But I thought itd help others.Mingers problem is just confusing me more and more I try to read into it. But I do believe and will stand by my opinion that he blames his looks so he doesnt have to do anything to improve his situation since he wants to believe his looks are the thing that keeps girls away from him. Its really his personality, and until the moment he accepts that, nothing we could say here will not help.Well, of course if looks do bother him, and he needs to overcome that "hole", then jogging or riding with a bike does NOT hurt, since it gets him fit.Since Im slightly overweight, I do ride a bike twice a day, and do regular body-building exercises. When it doest help so much in looks, it helps in confidence as far as looks are concerned. I know Im never going to be a Tom Cruise or the likes, at least I can feel myself better.And with confidence, damn, dont believe me, but mountains have been moved.But yeah, to make it short and simple. Minger, Your personality is the problem and looks are the smallest thing You need to worry about.I was "forced" to discuss this with the girl tonight, who was here last night when I replied, and he couldnt really believe You are neglecting the replies given here. She said that this will be Your failure unless You get a hold of Yourself and get Your priorities straight in life.(And I just LOVE it when a girl says the exact same thing that I was trying to say)

In reply to: ...I am NOT the best looking girl in the world. BUT u have a HOT voice. lol