School dances sure have changed.

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Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Walt Disney was a racist... and obsessed with the stereotypical housewife. He was turning in his grave when they made Mulan and The Princess and the Frog. I honestly doubt you know anything about Walt Disney beyond what you've been told to believe. Either way, it has nothing to do with the fact that, although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.

Originally Posted By: StephieJI love Walt Disney.. he created some of the BEST movies of all time! Even I had to go pick up a copy of Fantasia when it was released for the last time.

Your bullshit is getting madd old. Move on to something new. And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.

I love Disney movies but it still doesn't mean Walt wasn't racist and stuck in a stereotypical mindset. It's like when people get defensive when they hear that Charles Darwin was racist. Doesn't mean he wasn't intellectual but he is what he is. It's not that big of a deal.

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although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.
Which ANIMATED disney movies are you referring to? I suggest you watch The Princess and the Frog. It was a nice blast of fresh air.

Quote:And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.Where did you get your information? Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias. Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Move on to something new. Took the words out of my mouth. Only you could/would try to turn a discussion on signs of the times into a thread on racism. You don't seem to be able to leave that subject alone for long, and you don't even stop to wonder why you can't. Your demeanor since addling off to "higher education" has become increasingly angry and hostile...as if you've been made to feel the victim of thousands of years of opression (though you haven't lived nearly that long). Don't you ever wonder why you feel the way you do? Have you ever stopped to consider the possible reasons why some folks might want to make you feel that way over time by continually feeding you a twisted image of the reality you live in? Most people, when I was your age, were at least aware enough to be asking themselves those kinds of questions. Has the ability/desire to do that died somewhere along the line?

Why do u think he was racist???

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Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias.
Walt Disney died in 1966. I don't think you would have been doing much serious reading then.

If Abi did her research properly, she would not have just read current writing, but would have read material from the time. Old writings, even in magazines and newspapers, don't just all disappear. You could read those old articles yourself - you might be surprised at what you find.

Quote:Charles Darwin was racist evidence please

Originally Posted By: StephieJWhy do u think he was racist??? Thank you Steph for demonstrating the more rational and helpful response to Abi's assertion.Good questions are always more productive than reactionary diatribes.

Thank you. I didn't know it was a shocker that Walt Disney was a racist. It's not his fault, in his time many people were so it's not that big of a deal. It's just that many movies that he came out with played to the stereotypes that were put on Negroes, Indians, Orientals, Arabs etc in many of his movies. Don't get me wrong I love Disney movies, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything that was put in the movies.Same goes with Charles Darwin. The man was absolutely brilliant but for his time it was reasonable for him to be racist. Which he was. It's not something to go "OMG NO HE'S NOT!" It's like ooh okay well yeah just look at the times. Thomas Jefferson was racist too. Another big shocker?

Quote:Where did you get your information? Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias.You're not ancient. I have family in their 90s that have stories that will flip your world upside down. You really need to stop with this "i'm older than you so I know better". It's getting a bit ridiculous and I'm having a hard time taking you seriously. And yes I did get my research from OLD works and direct quotes.  Quote:our demeanor since addling off to "higher education" has become increasingly angry and hostile...as if you've been made to feel the victim of thousands of years of opression (though you haven't lived nearly that long).This is absolutely hilarious. I'm angry and hostile? And all this time I keep being told that I need to start learning to be more aggressive and taking things seriously. I have been absent from this board for weeks now. If anyone sounds bitter it's you. I'm enjoying school, and life for as long as I'm blessed with it.  Quote: Don't you ever wonder why you feel the way you do? Have you ever stopped to consider the possible reasons why some folks might want to make you feel that way over time by continually feeding you a twisted image of the reality you live in? Most people, when I was your age, were at least aware enough to be asking themselves those kinds of questions. Has the ability/desire to do that died somewhere along the line?Sir... I recently lost 3 cousins, 1 uncle, and 3 aunts in Port-au-Prince with my two baby cousins and my mom's sister still missing. I've been through hell and back again since the end of December. And I've STILL managed to keep a smile on my face and peace in my mind and love on my heart as I support other Haitians who have lost. I'm a cheerful human being as I've been told countless times. Yes, I've been depressed, but I'm getting through. Don't know what you see. And I really don't know what world you live in. I've gone through my oppression and still am. Not nearly as bad as my mother and the generations before me, but the fact that you think my age has something to do with how I act and what I experience. Maybe you still have some growing up to do AS OLD as you are. No disrespect, Sir.

I'm so sorry to hear about your family losses, Abi. To lose one family member is bad enough - to lose so many must be very hard to bear.

It really is. I still have a hard time believing it. Cause it just seems so surreal.

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14It really is. I still have a hard time believing it. Cause it just seems so surreal. I suppose it would be. Believe it or not, I am sorry you've lost family members. I've lost a few myself (though not so many at once). While this makes it understandable for you to be venting around here, it certainly doesn't justify bad behavior.As for your comments concerning my age, you will understand...in time. Every generation since the dawn of time thinks they're on equal footing with their elders...and every single one realizes how wrong they were when they actually reach that age themselves. It's not a matter of perspective...it's a matter of experience; of which there is no substitute for. It's just the way things are. My point to bob was that the Disney of today is not the Disney of many years ago...they've done a 180. Whether Walt Disney was himself racist or not has nothing to do with that point, or the discussion in general. Usually on message boards, folks with separate points to make start their own threads on it. This thread was about how twisted our education system has become. I don't see the connection to Walt Disney (or anybody) being racist.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleWalt Disney died in 1966. I don't think you would have been doing much serious reading then.Either you're not very bright, or you intentionally miss the point so you can post something derogatory. The company Walt Disney started carried on after his death. (Is this news to you?) The company did not begin to change immediately...it happened over time. This is what I said...not that I was around when Disney died. Perhaps you'd benefit by doing a little research on matters yourself before trying to add something useful to the discussion? (If that was ever your intent.)

hmm, I don't see you deferring to my age and wisdom when I call you out on your various crackpot views

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedhmm, I don't see you deferring to my age and wisdom when I call you out on your various crackpot views I'm older than you.

naw, it's just your ancient ideas

I'll show you my birthday if you show me yours.

Originally Posted By: thorThis thread was about how twisted our education system has become. Well it wasn't really about the education system and/or the media at all although you have really turned it into that.If you look at the video a bit more closely, you will notice a large range of ages of the children (perhaps 3 to mid teens?). I seriously doubt it is or has anything to do with a school. A couple of the girls had tiaras on their head. I would venture to say that it was some birthday party or some other type of kids celebration.The morality of the scene is atrocious in my opinion. What was the influence? I don't know. Was it media? Perhaps... but you really love to drive things to the extreme thor.

Originally Posted By: sdpWas it media? Perhaps... but you really love to drive things to the extreme thor. Extreme compared to what? Without a reference point, the term is meaningless. If you took this little snippet back just 50 years (a relatively short time-period in the grand scheme of things), I think any adults present would have been thrown in jail. Would you consider that extreme also? Again, it depends on your point of reference. And if that reference point is removed or nullified somehow...One more extreme point. Consider what was going on with the culture at any point in history where this snippet would not have seemed extreme (if you can find any)...then watch what happens to that society shortly thereafter.BTW, at that age, do you really think boys and girls would be found together? Boys were icky and girls had cooties at that age...remember? And I saw only one adult briefly present...though there may have been a second one running the camera (assuming it was not on a stand). This looks like a school of some kind to me. Does that look like some kind of person's home to you? I'll have another look later.