Score one for Obama

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Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

The linked text is not long, people. The author believes that "The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the 'registry') to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that ... is or has been used in or on a patient..." - a boring but important bit of oversight to check on each manufacturer's pacemakers and the like - means everyone is going to be microchipped.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

neo conservative = non sequitur

Thank you, I am now totally and absolutely convinced

Originally Posted By: sdpAs I read it, the chip is already here and the Bill does not say anything about requiring people to be chipped, rather the establishment and maintenance of the chip registry. Otherwise known as "laying the foundation". What does it have to do with providing folks affordable health care, anyway? Seems like somebody snuck it in...perhaps so they could use taxpayer money to fund it. And who's going to control it...the goeverment? How often do we hear them leaking supposedly private/classified information? And that video....nice try at "warming the public to the idea". Now why do you think they'd want to do that?

do you really believe this made up shit or are you just helping to make up more shit. Either way, this type of xenophobic fear mongering is indescribably irresponsible.RFID identification chips - been around for yearsserial numbers on medical implants - been around for decadesSo, by your reasoning, I must presume that you don't have a social security number, a passport, a driver's licence. You object to the Medic-Alert Program. You don't exist on any government or medical database, anywhere.

There are some people for whom all the world is made up of their team (with white hats) and the bad guys (with black hats). Everything the white-hats do and say must be right; everything the black-hats do and say must be wrong. It is scary because such people can be so easily manipulated to do anything."If two men agree on everything, you can be sure one of them is doing the thinking." ~ Lyndon B. Johnson

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedRFID identification chips - been around for yearsserial numbers on medical implants - been around for decadesNational registry intended to collect info on all of the above, and more - recently added. The question is, what's next?

Originally Posted By: Ineligible

There are some people for whom all the world is made up of their team (with white hats) and the bad guys (with black hats). Everything the white-hats do and say must be right; everything the black-hats do and say must be wrong. It is scary because such people can be so easily manipulated to do anything.

"If two men agree on everything, you can be sure one of them is doing the thinking." ~ Lyndon B. Johnson

Black and white "hats" exist only in the movies. Most of us live in the real world, where it is often more difficult to figure out who is wearing what, and exactly what shade of grey it is. But the biggest manipulation of all (by the dark-grey hats) is to convince some of the more gullible that all hats are the same color...or, that there's no such thing as evil. Tell it to them long enough, and they'll believe it. Some of them, anyway.

I think, thor, that that understates the difference between good and evil. They are more different than black and white, and I don't think they blend smoothly to make a uniform grey. Rather, we all have speckled hats (= souls). No doubt some have more or less black in the speckle than others, but Christians are forbidden to judge a man's soul, and it cannot in any case be done correctly, because any speckled soul can produce both good and bad words and deeds, and also ones that are speckled themselves. Therefore, words and deeds can only be judged in themselves, and not on which person said them or did them.

Not true. We are to judge righteously...so the Bible instructs us to do. Look it up yourself. What we are NOT to do is pass judgement (as to condemnation)...that is for God alone. How are we to know them by their fruits if we are not to judge their fruits as being good or bad? We cannot. And why would we be instructed to remove a plank from our own eye before removing the mote from anothers if we are not to recognize the existance of that mote in another's eye? We could not. So, yes, deeds must be judged...yet we must also judge the doer of those deeds as...well...being a doer of those deeds. What we must not do is tell others they're going to hell...or heaven, for that matter. We must also, on occation, take action on the doers of bad (or evil) deeds...such as booting them out of the church, if they show no desire to repent. In the book of Revelations, it speaks of the church at Thyatira...God saying he had against them that they suffered Jezebel to be amongst them. In other words, they should have cast those exhibiting that spirit out...for what in common does light have with darkness?So you choose speckles instead of shades. I think both anologies demonstrate the point equally well...yet in slightly different ways.

Originally Posted By: thor

Not true. We are to judge righteously...so
Which, for mere mortals, is impossible.

When I look it up, I find Matt 7:1 and Luke 6:37 speaking very clearly - we may not judge others.Of course we can judge fruits, and should.I think the difference between speckles and shades is more than slight. It means the deeds are not all the same. If someone does a good deed, it does not mean all his deeds are good. If he does a bad deed, it does not mean all his deeds are bad.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleWhen I look it up, I find Matt 7:1 and Luke 6:37 speaking very clearly - we may not judge others.OK...now we all know which Bible verses you prefer to pay attention to. How about the ones I metioned...on your "ignore" list maybe? Quote:I think the difference between speckles and shades is more than slight.I'm not at all surprised.

I pay attention to all of the verses, thor, though it might be pointed out these verses are dominical, in red in some Bibles. However, you are free to cite others, and argue where you think Jesus got it wrong.

is there a certain sect of Christian that objects to citing chapter and verse in favor of just saying "look it up"?  Quote:you think Jesus got it wrong. and we've hit the root of neo-conservatism

Originally Posted By: IneligibleI pay attention to all of the verses, thor, though it might be pointed out these verses are dominical, in red in some Bibles. However, you are free to cite others, and argue where you think Jesus got it wrong. Jesus was right, of course. It is you that have it wrong; yet again. But that's what happens when you choose to make up your mind before opening your Bible and reading it. That's a common plight these days, I'm afraid...folks fit their own ideas to select portions of the Bible instead of living their lives by all of it. Your approach is right out of the "How to Begin a Cult" handbook.

spoken like a true heretic

Why do you guys think that you'll ever agree on anything having to do with politics or the Bible?

Or do you just really enjoy the pissing contests?

(I suspect that it's something entirely different...)

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is there a certain sect of Christian that objects to citing chapter and verse in favor of just saying "look it up"?
Only those who don't know their Bible but wish to hide this fact. :smile:

Originally Posted By: Ineligible Quote:is there a certain sect of Christian that objects to citing chapter and verse in favor of just saying "look it up"?Only those who don't know their Bible but wish to hide this fact. Or if it's such a well-known (by any true Christian) quote that looking it up shouldn't be necessary. Shouldn't be. But since it doesn't seem to be ringing a bell with some folks...well...there you are.

ah, I see. So every time I see a sign or bumper sticker referring John 3:16, that is an indication of a non-true Christian. You are a wealth of knowledge, Rev. thor