Proof God Exists

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I'm a practicing Catholic, but I don't quite see how that proves God exists. Saying God exists based solely on information given to us by our holy book cannot be taken as complete proof. By the same standard, everything in all history books happened. Were you there in Job's time? No. Proof God exists isn't in the Book itself. It's everywhere.

Well by proof God exists, I meant in the sense that I was adding another point to the theists side of the debate. And by saying "were you there in Job's time?" imply that he may have been able to witness these things?

I may not have been clear with my last post. So I'll expand on it. I'm assuming that when you said "were you there in Job's time?" you meant that anything could have happened that I may not know now. Since I was not there to witness his entire life, there is no way of me knowing every action he performed and it's validity. But since the Bible was written long ago and was proved to be written long ago, then there is no way in my sense that Job could have seen these things. So you're point was that maybe Job did go down there, you never know. Maybe I'm interpreting you wrong but that's what I took away from your post.

It's wonderful, all those small verses which are just subtle evidence towards God's existence.I wouldn't say this is absolute proof of His existence but it is still nice and challenging.

What you wrote is not proof...How do you Job exists? What if the people who lived in the time of the bible being written perhaps didn't know for sure that the springs existed, but had either taken a good guess, or used reasoning, i.e. "springs exist on the surface, therefore they must be below", or similar. There is no proof that God exists. Don't get me wrong, there's no proof that H/he does not, either. Some people swing one way, some swing the other. Both seem to need reasons as to why they do or do not believe. All I think is that, if you believe, and you are happy, good. Keep it to yourself. If you don't believe, and are happy, good, keep it to yourself. I mean no offense, I just wish more people followed these words. And I don't condemn people declaring that they believe, or do not, it's just when it gets to "God exists because ..." or "God does not exist because ..." that I get irked. Again, no offense intended, just saying.

Originally Posted By: animefreak135What you wrote is not proof...How do you Job exists? What if the people who lived in the time of the bible being written perhaps didn't know for sure that the springs existed, but had either taken a good guess, or used reasoning, i.e. "springs exist on the surface, therefore they must be below", or similar. There is no proof that God exists. No proof that H/he does not. Some swing left, and others swing right. Both seem to need reasons as to why they do or do not believe. All I think is that, if you believe, and you are happy, good. Keep it to yourself. If you don't believe, and are happy, good, keep it to yourself. I mean no offense, I just wish more people followed these words. And I don't condemn people declaring that they believe, or do not, it's just when it gets to "God exists because ..." or "God does not exist because ..." that I get irked. Again, no offense intended, just saying. The point is that nobody back when the Bible was written had the technology to visit the bottom of the ocean and see these springs for themself...they would have to be told of their existance in order to write about it. And as for guessing, sorry...I'd say that's reaching pretty far. So while not absolute proof, you're about 99.9% there.

I'll give you that I have nothing to debunk this. I know nothing about history, certainly not that far back, and how those people could have/could not have known there were springs in the bottom of the ocean. I will say this though: If this is "proof" of your God's existence, why doesn't everyone believe in God?And, a side note: I thought modern day Christians only believed in the New Testament...? Or at least, there was some reason most Christians(all the ones I've met anyway) don't hate gay people, because of that one passage from Leviticus. I'm not trying to start anything, I just don't know.

My god the internet here is awful...anyway.

That's the point I was trying to make in my first post(though not very clearly, apparently).

Right.
Or could it be that the bible has been reinterpreted so many times, that this 'quote' from God could be just another thing man has thrown in there?

Originally Posted By: animefreak135My God the internet here is awful...anyway.That's the point I was trying to make in my first post(though not very clearly, apparently). Mine, too!

Originally Posted By: DxLISHxISx_43Right. Or could it be that the bible has been reinterpreted so many times, that this 'quote' from God could be just another thing man has thrown in there? Yep! That's my biggest issue with the Old Testiment.

I was convinced of God's existence after I saw this video;

Youtube Video

How can you rebut that argument!?

As for a genuine argument;Aliens with far superior technology gifted him with the ability to walk underwater, or at least, told him about it.Sure, it sounds absolutely ludicrous but it is just as probable (if not more) than the argument that God showed him.

god exists with faithby proving his exsitance you illiminate faithare you trying yo illiminate god?wow, you're a big old meanie!Lucky the Leprechaun exists, I just saw him on TV. Unfortunatly, he is rather impotent at keeping those kids away from his lucky charms.How has your god made out keeping his flock from sin and temptation (and lucky charms)?My god given gift of sarcasm aside, why would you wish to use science and exploration to prove the exsitance of god? It seems to me, that if you believe in such things, that that faith should be all you need. To search for proof reveals your own doubt. Personally, I think doubt is good but not of the devout would agree.

Hey cooldawg. I'm pretty stoked that you're reading and digging and learning. That's exciting to see. Keep it up. I also appreciate what you just shared. That being said...as others have stated here (and actually shown), such statements will not always (or actually seldom) be received well. I think what you have to be careful of doing is trying to use Scripture to "prove" something to folks who don't view Scripture as having any kind of authority, or proof. Does that make sense? For the most part the challenges here are pretty respectful. I hope you can take them and let them strengthen your faith and your ability to give reason for your faith.

animefreak, the Old Testament is as much Scripture to Christians as is the New Testament. However, it refers to the old covenant, not the new. Christians are not under the Mosaic law, for example.

Ok, first I'll start with animefreak's response.

Well we can prove Job existed by going back to the original scripture archaeologists discovered. It was written in Hebrew and then translated. There's so much evidence pointing to Job's existence that it would be silly to suppose that he didn't exist. However, you do make a valid point by saying we may have interpreted this wrong. To alleviate that you would have to buy every single Bible available and come up with a consensus based on each Bible's interpretation. Then to further that, you could talk with historians and theologians for more study. And the chances that all of them interpreted in that roughly the same way would pretty much give a 99% chance that it is in fact what Job's intention was when he wrote it. It's too hard for scripture to pass right by that many people before their version of the Bible is published.

To Unsupervised:

I do not doubt God's existence for a second. I posted this to stir up a discussion related to a God or no God. I wanted to see the impact of what I pointed out to the people on the board.

I don't think it's being unfaithful to go around looking for proofs to show to Atheists or people who are troubled with their faith.

You remind me of my "spiritual" brotha. He's a great guy but.. here is not necessarily the place you want to discuss God, Christianity or anything having to do with religion. Bad idea.

Quote: It was written in Hebrew and then translatedactually, it was written in numerous languages. But basically, it was Aramaic trasnlated into Hebrew, then Latin, then English, etc etc etcYou can't really believe that any one translation is perfectly accurite. Anything you read in a certain version of the bible has been filtered through several minds.what language do you speak?what language does god speak?you can believe all you want. that's cool!but it would be better if you thought about what others believe, then build an opinion based on information