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sometimes i'm glade i'm dislixic. yea... huh wut? maybe that's why this don't bug me. i do't understand it to get bothered by it... or i don't care enough to worry with trying to ask help to figure it out.

hahaha okay. careful cuz me and caleb might try and roundhouse kick ya.siiigh* you asked who objected to it, and we objected to it.

i rememeber how to do a roundhouse kick. we acually did those in tae kwon do.

roundhouse kick me? who are you chuck norris? That move is so outdated. The second you lift your leg up a conscious person would tackle you. Which is the one weakness in high kicks in kickboxing. Low kicks hurt like a bitch, but spinning your leg around for 3 seconds leaves you very vulnerable to a take down.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2I know Damien was getting a little irritated that I kept bringing up articles on evolution and creation and all that. I don't recall this.Please explain.

This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. What's the point? There have been five arguments in one thread over one 24 hour period...basically.Cooldawg, seriously, chill. I had your back yesterday, but I think you're going a bit overboard, no? It's like you're doing this popcorn argument thing where, before one discussion can really get underway, you bring up another topic of argument. Can you sum it all up into one nice statement so we can get on with the important things in life? That's the post I was referring to.

Quote:who are you chuck norris? i am actually.

Originally Posted By: ashley69

i am actually.
Another reason to love you. :grin:

Oh god, Chuck Norris is such a bad ass. You gotta love that Walker!

Have you seen his commercial?

LMAO!!!okay, i love you more now.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2looking at the physical reality in the world, no matter how many times you slice it down, you're still going to have physical matter. so the only way this physical matter could have been created is by a non-physical object or being. I don’t see why that should be the case.

OK back now. I'm a little tired but I'll take a swing at this. But first...

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2

looking at the physical reality in the world, no matter how many times you slice it down, you're still going to have physical matter.

so the only way this physical matter could have been created is by a non-physical object or being.

Wrong. Just wrong. If you split up physical matter over and over, eventually you will have energy, not matter.

You can switch between matter and energy, but you cannot create new matter without putting in energy, or get energy without putting in matter.So that would mean you need matter in the first place to create all this energy. Where did the matter come from that resulted in the energy? E=MC^2 right? so 1 gram of matter would equal 34,700,983,524 ergs.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2Were Darwin's Galapagos Finches Evolution? What does happen in a population as the genome reacts to the environment? Darwin looks at the finches on the Galapagos Islands and notices variations in beak size. He thought that the harder seed in the dry time was causing the beaks of the finches to grow stouter from the use of the part. But what was happening was that natural selection or a long term drought in the islands was causing the seed cases to harden. The heavier beaked finch allele in the genome was favored and the lighter beaked finch allele was not. The heavier beaked finch became more dominant because it passed on the heavy beak alleles. The heavy beak was not the result of a mutation! It was already an allele in the genome and was just brought out as a result of the environment. When the rains came back the lighter beak became the more efficient beak and the number of heavy beaks reduced. This is microevolution at its best. But there was no change in the genome of the finch and certainly no new species has arisen from this. The genome expresses its variety by recombination of the alleles and causing the phenotype to show its wonderful God given types. When Darwin made his voyage to the Galápagos Islands he had not even begun to contemplate the theory of Natural Selection. It wasn't until years after that it finally came to him. Darwin did not think that the beaks of the finches were growing stouter due to the harder nuts, Darwin actually initially believed the finches to be completely different species rather than variations of the same one. It wasn't until later, at his moment of epiphany, that he realised what was going on. To tell you what Darwin came up with, I shall quote some familiar words.  Quote:what was happening was that natural selection or a long term drought in the islands was causing the seed cases to harden. The heavier beaked finch allele in the genome was favored and the lighter beaked finch allele was not. The heavier beaked finch became more dominant because it passed on the heavy beak alleles.Thats right, Darwin came up with the idea of Natural Selection, its what he is famous for. Evolution was thought of before him, he was just the first to discover a method for which it can work. Mutations are not a necessity in Natural Selection, all that it is needed is a variation and an environment to select if its positive, neutral or negative.As I've said before, micro-evolution is simply evolution over a short time-scale. Its the undeniable observed variation of species that Creationists cannot deny so they simply name it something else and ignore the rest.Next topic.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2
You can switch between matter and energy, but you cannot create new matter without putting in energy, or get energy without putting in matter.
So that would mean you need matter in the first place to create all this energy.
The basic principle is that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, it can only be transformed from one type to another. Matter is considered to be a type of energy, although energy is also considered to be a type of matter. Its confusing. But your last statement is just wrong. You don't necessarily need matter, you can have either matter or energy.
And energy is more generally measured in joules rather than ergs.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2This is the most ridiculous thread I've ever seen. What's the point? There have been five arguments in one thread over one 24 hour period...basically.Cooldawg, seriously, chill. I had your back yesterday, but I think you're going a bit overboard, no? It's like you're doing this popcorn argument thing where, before one discussion can really get underway, you bring up another topic of argument. Can you sum it all up into one nice statement so we can get on with the important things in life? That's the post I was referring to. I invite you to consider paying a little more attention to what you type. I wasn't annoyed that you were bringing up articles about creation and evolution. I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I will likely agree with your views more than most here. What I was annoyed with was the fact that you were bringing up controversial topics and, before any discussion could get underway about that topic, you would bring up another basically unrelated controversial topic. Actually, I'm hoping that you'll soon get over this desire to argue this stuff and just enjoy the community.

Why are you getting so involved in learning about so much all at once??

i agree.

its like you're trying too hard.

I don't mean to deter off topic so suddenly but I'm just curious to know. Cooldawg, have you ever spoken in tongues?

Well, for one I have a very strong desire to learn and two, I like to argue with anyone, anytime, about anything.

I don't really disagree with evolution anymore. I read this book online until 4am last night and I now believe in evolution.

But it still doesn't eliminate God. Evolution is just a driving force in nature. I agree, it's not meant to account for the existence of life.

I also have come to believe that Genesis was more a synopsis of how we came to be, rather than, a literal story all at once.

God created the earth, then the animals and plants, then humans. That fits perfectly with the evolutionist time line.

As for bobalicious. Let's say we have energy, the law of conservation states that it cannot be created nor destroyed and that it is constant.

But to convert something to energy, you need matter.

This goes all the way back to the experiments of Louis Pasteur. Telling us that nothing cannot create something. Therefore we need something that is neither energy nor made of matter.

Let's pause for a minute and say that God's realm does not have the same laws as our realm does. This is why man may never have an explanation for God.

But the best argument to an atheist in my opinion, is that nothing cannot create something. Therefore something requiring no energy or matter created it, in it's realm with a completely different set of laws, incalculable and undefinable by the human mind.

Sometimes I've said stuff in person in an argument and realized that I didn't even think about what I was saying, it just came out.I think that's what will happen if you are ever put on trial for your beliefs. That the holy spirit will take over your soul and form words for you.