Stop putting biblical references on military scope

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Company offers to stop putting biblical references on military scopes A manufacturer that has been inscribing Bible references on rifle sights used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan announced Thursday that it will stop putting scripture references on products the U.S. military uses.Gen. David Petraeus, commander of United States Central Command, said Wednesday -- apparently before learning of the company's announcement -- that the references were a "big concern" to the U.S. Army and the U.S. Marine Corps, which have contracts for the scopes."I hope you can sense ... this is of serious concern to me and the other commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan because it can indeed create a perception that is absolutely contrary to what it is that we have sought to do," he said.He said U.S. troops are much more sensitive "about this kind of thing," apparently, than is the contractor involved.On its Web site Wednesday, the Muslim Public Affairs Council said the references "feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' "Trijicon Inc., the manufacturer, said in a written statement that it has "offered to voluntarily stop putting references to scripture on all products manufactured for the U.S. military -- and will provide, free of charge, 100 modification kits to the Pentagon to enable the removal of the references that are already on products that are currently deployed."There was no immediate reaction from the Pentagon in response to the announcement, but a response was being prepared, Maj. Shawn Turner in the Department of Defense's public affairs office told CNN.The Marine Corps said it was "concerned" when it learned about the biblical references."We are making every effort to remove these markings from all of our scopes and will ensure that all future procurement of these scopes will not have these types of markings," it said in a written statement."We will remove the markings from the scopes currently delivered. Trijicon will also remove the markings from all scopes that have not been delivered."Earlier, after it emerged that the Michigan-based manufacturer was putting codes for scriptures on the scopes, Trijicon issued a statement saying that it has put scripture references on its products for more than two decades."As long as we have men and women in danger, we will continue to do everything we can to provide them with both state-of-the-art technology and the never-ending support and prayers of a grateful nation," it said Wednesday.ABC first reported the story on Monday, saying that some of the citations on the sights included "2COR4:6," an apparent reference to 2 Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads, "For God, who said, 'Let light shine out of darkness,' made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ."Another, according to ABC, included JN8:12, apparently referring to John 8:12. That reads, "When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, 'I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.' "Trijicon has a $660 million contract for the U.S. Marine Corps and the U.S. Army, according to Turner. He said slightly more than 300,000 scopes have been delivered so far, with most going to the Marines.After the initial news report, the Muslim Public Affairs Council called on Defense Secretary Robert Gates to withdraw from combat use weapons that have sights with the biblical references."Allowing religious references to be placed on U.S. weaponry, which are bought and paid for by U.S. taxpayers, is unacceptable," MPAC Executive Director Salam Al-Marayati wrote in a letter to Gates, according to the council's Web site."Such inscriptions not only run afoul of the Constitution and U.S. military rules, but they also feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' "

Originally Posted By: OldFolks"Such inscriptions not only run afoul of the Constitution and U.S. military rules, but they also feed into the violent extremists' narrative that the ongoing wars in Afghanistan and Iraq are a 'crusade against Islam.' " LOL! They'll never stop trying, will they.

no, they won't

Seperation of church and state anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Plus there's the stupidest part of this whole thing - the terr'ists already think this is a holy war, why the hell get them riled up even more when they find one of our rifles and there's scripture all over it?

Originally Posted By: animefreak135Seperation of church and state anyone? Anyone? Please go try and understand what it is all about for yourself, based on the actual historical documents, and stop getting your opinions from what you find on the internet. The concept, not actually found in the Constitution, revolves around keeping the government out of church business...not the other way around. If the government wants it taken off, they can request it. As for how this actually turns out, it really makes no difference to me. But everytime somebody misinterprets (giving you the benefit of the doubt) the "seperation of church and state" concept, I'm going to straighten them out...whether they like it or not.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: animefreak135Seperation of church and state anyone? Anyone? Please go try and understand what it is all about for yourself, based on the actual historical documents, and stop getting your opinions from what you find on the internet. The concept, not actually found in the Constitution, revolves around keeping the government out of church business...not the other way around. If the government wants it taken off, they can request it. As for how this actually turns out, it really makes no difference to me. But everytime somebody misinterprets (giving you the benefit of the doubt) the "seperation of church and state" concept, I'm going to straighten them out...whether they like it or not. Do you have anything relevant to add? No? K. I don't even understand why you think it only goes one way. It's both. Research the word seperation, plz. If you don't want Joey and Larry to fornicate, you can't just keep Joey's hands out of Larry's pants. Larry has hands too, you know. This is all beside the point anyway, because all I was trying to say there is that not every one of our boys over there are Christian, and regardless I seriously doubt most of them are hardcore enough to put scripture on their rifle.

Mountain out of a molehill.

If it's nothing why put it on scopes they're selling to the military anyway?I don't care if there's a RM2:23 or whatever it is on my scope but it means nothing to me... unless I put it there. Being it mean absolutely nothing to me and can only speak to those that know this bible code, chapter and verse, why put it there?

I saw this on ABC's Nightline a couple of weeks ago. See Here The owner was a devout Christian and started the practice many years ago. It was just some thing that he wanted to do and was a "signature".It is a "Mountain out of a mole hill". He/they apparently didn't think it offensive when the practice started. Since it apparenly is (for the military issued devices) they will stop. End of story.