This is beyond ridiculous..

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Fair enough. I just re-read my post and I realised that I came off really bitchy - so, I'm sorry about that.

Quote:In my country a new law was annouced for rapists found guilty.......death sentence--'to be hanged till death' What country is this?

No, not at all. I was just making sure that you, or anyone else that reads this, can understand where I was coming from.

Saya may not wish to say particularly, but Saya is not in a Western country.

So you think that parents should be allowed to teach their children to be racist, assholes, etc.? They have the right to raise their children as they see fit, right?

Originally Posted By: CiderSo you think that parents should be allowed to teach their children to be racist, assholes, etc.? They have the right to raise their children as they see fit, right? That's exactly right...but don't cry in your wheaties too soon. It also includes the right to teach your children that there is no God, and that agreeing with the general populace is more important than seeking the truth. After all, there are character traits far more damaging to a person or society than being a racist or an asshole. Especially when definitions of those traits are made by one.

When what one teaches begins to infringe upon the rights of others, like racism, then the community and government have the responsibility to intervene.By the way, most of your viewpoints are simply agreeing with what other Christians have said to be true; you may think you are seeking truth, but you're only seeking what coincides with your religion (or whatever you are told coincides with your religion). Oh, you know what? Let's look at an example. Do you also agree that parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form? Your previous posts seem to indicate no.Eh, whatever, I don't feel like debating anything here; it doesn't get anywhere like it does at other forums.

Originally Posted By: CiderWhen what one teaches begins to infringe upon the rights of others, like racism, then the community and government have the responsibility to intervene.Not when doing so infringes on the rights of others. Didn't your parents ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right? Quote:Oh, you know what? Let's look at an example. Do you also agree that parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form? Your previous posts seem to indicate no.I think they should be allowed to...but I also think it irresponsible and extremely stupid, if they care about their children.I will fight for your right to say and do stupid things, as long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others. But I can still think they're stupid things to say or do. See how that works?

Originally Posted By: thor Not when doing so infringes on the rights of others. Didn't your parents ever teach you that two wrongs don't make a right?Well, heheh, not here, no matter how outside the Constitution is, the gov't can do whatever they want. Why do you think we don't get our 1st amendment rights in school? Yeah, because it's crowded, and something you say may offend someone else, but so is a mall, but we have them there?

Originally Posted By: thor
That's just it...they don't know. They can't know. But it's far easier to rationalize away the truth and the potential harm that comes with it than it is to accept the reality that certain freedoms must be curtailed if we expect to be able to live and raise our children without fear of having their minds twisted by some folks who believe they should be allowed the freedom to do just that in the name of making a buck. But many folks will just bury their heads in the sand rather than admit it...which is why it continues to go on and on. That's what liberalism gets you. This is why it's so ugly.
This contradicts what you just said. In this post, you say that certain freedoms must be curtailed (the freedom to sell/watch/whatever the rape video game mentioned at the beginning of the thread), but now you say parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form. The rape video game is a form of porn.

I have to come to find this to be normal of thor.

Originally Posted By: Cider Originally Posted By: thorThat's just it...they don't know. They can't know. But it's far easier to rationalize away the truth and the potential harm that comes with it than it is to accept the reality that certain freedoms must be curtailed if we expect to be able to live and raise our children without fear of having their minds twisted by some folks who believe they should be allowed the freedom to do just that in the name of making a buck. But many folks will just bury their heads in the sand rather than admit it...which is why it continues to go on and on. That's what liberalism gets you. This is why it's so ugly. This contradicts what you just said. In this post, you say that certain freedoms must be curtailed (the freedom to sell/watch/whatever the rape video game mentioned at the beginning of the thread), but now you say parents should be allowed to show their children porn of any form. The rape video game is a form of porn. That ever-elusive difference is that one occurs in the public, outside of the home...the other, inside the home. It is the responsibility of government to protect the people and public at large...but stay out of their private lives. I honestly don't understand why that concept is so difficult for some people.

Playing a video game occurs within the household, not without.

Originally Posted By: CiderPlaying a video game occurs within the household, not without. It is created and sold outside of the home environment. I think it should be regulated in the same way porn is...and sold in similar stores; not next to the Mario Brothers.

The internet gives access to video games and porn, not just special stores. The internet cannot be censored by a single government, freedoms of information and all that jazz. If they try, like China have, they will be blasted by the international community.

Your ignoring the big difference there Bobbo. If the Chinese do it they're doing it out of evil oppression. If the conservative right do it they're doing it out of righteousness and good.

You can't argue with logic like that...

Originally Posted By: OldFolksYou can't argue with logic like that... Nor more than you can with somebody who avoids common sense like the plague.

Its they same in middle east as well.......cant access a whole lot of sites cos most are banned........"banned for the safety of the family" reads the page. But there are sites available to clear any teenager's doubts on sex and STDs if they wanted any info or help.

One joy of America, we don't have national firewalls. But there are drawbacks to that as well...you know, like anything else.At least those sites aren't banned.

Yep neither in my country ........sites arent banned here.