School dances sure have changed.

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intersting take on things. I can't fully agree on all points though.There has certainly been a sexualization of youth over the past 2 generations or so. But there again, there was a significant infantization of adults over the previous couple centuries. Prior to the industrial revolution, teen motherhood was pretty standard. It has been observed by sociologist for years now that western culture has developed delayed or nonexistent adult hoods.that said, the behavior in this video is not normal for today or yesterday. It's weird and still leaves me wishing for some kind of explanation behind the scene.As for the media, well, it is what it is and it only sells what people buy. If we as parents allow any kind of educational void in our children's lives, the TV will fill it.  Quote:What social faction is largely in charge of/owns both the public education system you  Quote:...and the television broadcasting companies rich people

That video is sick. Actually it pisses me off.Those "teachers", workers, or whatever the hell they are should be fired on the spot...at the very least.Whatever rationalization and explanation there might be for kids behaving that way, there is absolutely not excuse or rationalization for adults tolerating it, excusing it, and even - for Pete's sake - participating in it with them!

Originally Posted By: unsupervised Quote:What social faction is largely in charge of/owns both the public education system youHeavily composed of liberals; who not only do the teaching, but control the curriculum as well. At least that's the way it is in this country. Quote: Quote:...and the television broadcasting companies rich peopleRich liberals.

Originally Posted By: thorRich liberals.Like Rupert Murdoch, the biggest liberal of them all!

Just to be clear my response was about the sexualization of pre-pubescent children not teens and pre-teens who are becoming aware and curious of sex themselves. I'm talking about parents who encourage their second grade girls to wear lipstick so they're "pretty" and their first grade boys to be "manly" to "empress the ladies."

>>>"It has been observed by sociologist for years now that western culture has developed delayed or nonexistent adult hoods."

On that, I completely agree with the sociologists, though I may differ on the cause and effects of it. I contend that somewhere along the line mature adulthood became a negative. Immature adults then started living in the glory days of their pasts and forsaking their present. Rather than revel in what they have and where they are they only revel in what they where and what they did. That's a fools endeavor, and so as they have kids and are living through them, making their kids things they're not or things they may not be ready for yet.

All these things I'm talking about, I'm talking about in a societal context. Kids aren't raised in vacuum, so the actions of one parent impart itself on the child of another. A few parents pressuring their kids to be "Ms Popularity" or "Mr Macho" effects the peers of that child as well.

I'm setting aside irresponsible parents for the sake of this discussion... irresponsible as in, "mommy was chasing daddy around with a rocket tied to her..." (yeah that was a real conversation) or "I'm leaving early today so I can see mommy before she has to go to jail." Rather, I'm thinking about "responsible" parents, upstanding member of the community (relative to the community of course), types, mainly because they seem to be the worst about pushing sexualization on their kids. They seem to be the ones who forgo a real life, they seem to be the ones who most try to relive their youth through their kids and they are the ones that have the Disney Channel and such that produces these "kids" shows that their boys, and most especially, their girls are emulating.

I just wish I could tell the parents to get a life and enjoy it. Don't sit at home thinking about days gone by. Don't live through your kid. Be an example for your kid so they will know how to be an adult and how to enjoy it, even when dealing with the shit that life is inevitably going to throw at you. Get up, go biking, go dancing, go out with another couple, go to the movies have a few drinks and pull the stick out of your ass. Quit micro managing your kids and let them be kids.

>>>"It's weird and still leaves me wishing for some kind of explanation behind the scene."

Me as well. "Picture convictions" always remind me of the Calvin & Hobbs where Calvin had Hobbs taking pictures of him with a clean room (he had just shoved the shit out of frame) and with him holding a bat and glove (instead of his usual mask and Calvin ball) so that he could later in life show what a well adjusted, picturesque child he was. Without context any situation can be construed to impart the meaning an editor wishes to convey.

Though it's hard to imagine any rational for this video, for all I know, me being without sound, this could be a ring of daycare kiddie molesters it may not be sanctioned at all by any authority.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorRich liberals.Like Rupert Murdoch, the biggest liberal of them all! The exception that proves the rule.

That aphorism "The exception proves the rule" is almost universally misunderstood. It dates back to when "prove" meant "test" (as it does in the King James Bible). All it means is that an apparent exception is the test of a rule - one must examine it closely to see if it is a real exception, in which case the rule is disproved (in the modern sense), or whether it is not in fact an exception.The idea that a real exception actually "proves" a rule in the modern sense of "prove" is sheer nonsense. It disproves it.

Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious Originally Posted By: thorThe exception that proves the rule. How about Disney? Although it may be perceived as irrelevant, Disney has a very strong conservative base and has a lot of influence over future generations.You're a bit behind the times, I'm afraid. The current incarnation of Disney would have old Walt turning over in his grave. Quote:And there is also WorldNetDaily, possibly THE most biased right-wing major news outlet. There are certainly some non-liberal news outlets...but I was speaking of the most influential form of media on the general public: the TV.

Walt Disney was a racist... and obsessed with the stereotypical housewife. He was turning in his grave when they made Mulan and The Princess and the Frog.

I love Walt Disney.. he created some of the BEST movies of all time!

Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Walt Disney was a racist... and obsessed with the stereotypical housewife. He was turning in his grave when they made Mulan and The Princess and the Frog. I honestly doubt you know anything about Walt Disney beyond what you've been told to believe. Either way, it has nothing to do with the fact that, although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.

Originally Posted By: StephieJI love Walt Disney.. he created some of the BEST movies of all time! Even I had to go pick up a copy of Fantasia when it was released for the last time.

Your bullshit is getting madd old. Move on to something new. And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.

I love Disney movies but it still doesn't mean Walt wasn't racist and stuck in a stereotypical mindset. It's like when people get defensive when they hear that Charles Darwin was racist. Doesn't mean he wasn't intellectual but he is what he is. It's not that big of a deal.

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although Disney continues to make movies aimed at children, they have long since abandoned the family values they were once known for.
Which ANIMATED disney movies are you referring to? I suggest you watch The Princess and the Frog. It was a nice blast of fresh air.

Quote:And this wasn't in class this was research I did on my own. But that doesn't count either.Where did you get your information? Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias. Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Move on to something new. Took the words out of my mouth. Only you could/would try to turn a discussion on signs of the times into a thread on racism. You don't seem to be able to leave that subject alone for long, and you don't even stop to wonder why you can't. Your demeanor since addling off to "higher education" has become increasingly angry and hostile...as if you've been made to feel the victim of thousands of years of opression (though you haven't lived nearly that long). Don't you ever wonder why you feel the way you do? Have you ever stopped to consider the possible reasons why some folks might want to make you feel that way over time by continually feeding you a twisted image of the reality you live in? Most people, when I was your age, were at least aware enough to be asking themselves those kinds of questions. Has the ability/desire to do that died somewhere along the line?

Why do u think he was racist???

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Mine is from living through those times, reading the (then) less biased articles in magazines and newspapers before there was ever an apparent liberal agenda to bias them...something you couldn't possibly have done because you're simply too young to have escaped the present-day bias.
Walt Disney died in 1966. I don't think you would have been doing much serious reading then.

If Abi did her research properly, she would not have just read current writing, but would have read material from the time. Old writings, even in magazines and newspapers, don't just all disappear. You could read those old articles yourself - you might be surprised at what you find.

Quote:Charles Darwin was racist evidence please

Originally Posted By: StephieJWhy do u think he was racist??? Thank you Steph for demonstrating the more rational and helpful response to Abi's assertion.Good questions are always more productive than reactionary diatribes.

Thank you. I didn't know it was a shocker that Walt Disney was a racist. It's not his fault, in his time many people were so it's not that big of a deal. It's just that many movies that he came out with played to the stereotypes that were put on Negroes, Indians, Orientals, Arabs etc in many of his movies. Don't get me wrong I love Disney movies, but it doesn't mean I agree with everything that was put in the movies.Same goes with Charles Darwin. The man was absolutely brilliant but for his time it was reasonable for him to be racist. Which he was. It's not something to go "OMG NO HE'S NOT!" It's like ooh okay well yeah just look at the times. Thomas Jefferson was racist too. Another big shocker?