Losing faith

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ive never doubted god, but im losing faith in jesus. its just, i know the attitude 'you shouldnt need proof' has many counter arguments, but i mean, i honestly cant put 100 percent of my faith in someone i cant be sure existed. how can i feel strong about my faith? does anyone else have this issue?

I never had this problem for 10 years but then again I was in a Christian school most of my life. Going to a public school has wavered my faith by alot. And sometimes I do wonder if he really does exist and etc etc. But being ridiculed by people most of the time has actually helped me stay strong. Going on encounters and youth retreats with my church and witnessing miracles and such has definately strengthened it for me. The fact that most of the times when I'm on my own and I'm in a tough situation, praying specifically to Him always soothes me no matter what. And that's how I can tell. Plus reading helps. I've been in the same situation many times but it passes. It's dangerous and hard for me whenever that happens.

I don't want to say too much or "go there" on this board for fear of offending anyone so if you want to talk one on one you can PM me. I'll be up till 2 lol

Well, there is more proof indicating that Jesus once existed than proof indicating God exists.

proofEvidence. Proof is an all-or-none proposition.Africa> ive never doubted godWhy?

There were no newspapers or videotape back then; the gospels were written after Jesus was alleged to live, by people who never met him. See ChristianOrigins.com and click on the "Online Books" links.

Did a historical Jesus exist?

Yes, sorry. I meant evidence. Just typing at 5am kinda makes my words go funky.And upon further investigation, I find that there is no evidence at all! But the thought of a man walking around for a few years spouting peace and love is a lot more believable and plausible than an almighty being who created the universe in 6 days (and for a god of limitless power, thats pretty damn slow!).Its kind of odd to see someone doubt the existence of Jesus yet fully maintain their belief in God.

because ive always thought that there had to be something more than just fact and logic. scientists will always argue that if you cant prove it exists then it doesnt exist, and that kind of talk has always seemed ignorant to me. i dont know, i guess its more about what id like there to be ( ie, heaven, an afterlife, not just rotting in the ground ) than what i actually believe there is. in the end is that even faith?

well..personally i think jesus existed and was a real dude who helped folk but i dont really think he was the son of god or could walk on water or any other that crap.

In reply to: scientists will always argue that if you cant prove it exists then it doesnt exist Thats not true. The general thoughts of a scientific mind is that if it can be reliabley proven to be true then its fact, if it is proven to be false then its not fact. When it comes to the existance of God there has of yet been no proof to decide either way, but people with scientific minds are human. Just because someone spends their life investigating fact, it doesn't mean that they don't have faith. There are many scientists that believe in God and many that don't.

In reply to: or could walk on water Except maybe in winter....

scientists will always argue that if you cant prove it exists then it doesnt existThat's not true. For science to "have an opinion" one something, it has to be falsifiable. That means that there has to be a conceivable way to test a hypothesis, or science has nothing at all to say about it. That is, science has nothing to say about things that fall outside of the realm of science. It does not say that they are all false. There are many scientists who believe in God.The question of God's existence is a philosophical question, not a scientific one. As for Jesus's existence, there is good historical evidence, but it's not definitive.A lot of people's belief is God revolves around the idea of believing in God, rather than in the actual existence of God...if you know what I mean.

Afraid I can't help you much
In Australia we are mostly athiests to start with
The only involvment I have with religion is having a bit of a chuckle at benny hinn and all the other televangical flakes on early morning television

faith has long sailed away for me once i hit highschool back 3 years and realised how unfair life is, and that if there was a god, he wouldnt have made a world where appearance gets you so much farther then everything else, that great happiness lies on paper called money, and that life is based on luck

If there were out there a proof or an evidence of the divine nature of Jesus until now, everyone would be forced to believe in Christianity. This is against free will and we would end to a paradox. If you read the story with Jesus and the devil, you'll understand this. Anyway, this is the trial of faith. It's like a closed box, that you can't touch, and you wonder if there's a cookie inside.Personally, I believe in God for about the same reasons with you. After you discover you believe in God, you have to find a religion that feels right. The hard thing is to follow a religion and not to create one for your personal needs

This is against free will and we would end to a paradox.I see that objects drop to the ground when I release my grip on them. I am forced to believe in gravitational attraction. My sense of free will does not suffer much because of it. It's just a fact, like electricity and magnetism. My belief in those phenomena likewise does not hem in my sense of freedom.So if Jesus were divine, and it were a known and accepted fact, why would it be any different? Why is "free will" so uniquely important in that case? Is this not an apologia for the fact that the divinity of Jesus cannot be proven?

I have a strong faith in Jesus, but my Catholicism has been damaged by the paedophile scandels in the church. I still pray, just hardly ever in a church. I usually only find myself in one if there's some ritual I am obliged to attend; Christening, Communion, Confirmation etc.Unfortunately a lot of people where I come from have been affected in this way. That the heirarchy of the Catholic church moved paedophiles around in order to allow them continue to abuse young children has taken something away from all of us Irish Catholics and left an indelible stain on the Church. But, Catholicism aside, it hasnt in any way damaged my faith in Jesus.

> I have a strong faith in Jesus

Prompted by...what?

I am forced to believe in gravitational attraction. My sense of free will does not suffer much because of it.Oh, I'm not a good philosopher, but I'll try. Reality and nature is the opposite of free will. Reality's laws affect us and block our will to do the impossible. God is beyond the barrier of reality and comes to our supernatural space, where you are really free to believe in anything and only there you can sense absolute freedom. Nature only gives us only the chance to explain and not to defy.>> So if Jesus were divine, and it were a known and accepted fact, why would it be any different?You wouldn't even have the freedom to write many many posts here. Wouldn't you be sad for this, even if it feels so right to write down your ideas about Him? You have the chance here to be right or wrong. God needs to stay as an irrational idea, in my homble opinion Btw, I loved the word "apologia" you used. It's much more closer to my language :P

In reply to: God is beyond the barrier of reality and comes to our supernatural space, where you are really free to believe in anything and only there you can sense absolute freedom.So if you believed in God, then you can believe that you can fly?

So if you believed in God, then you can believe that you can fly?No. It's much more simply than you think. You have to believe in Mary Poppins' umbrella or fairydust. Then you can fly. Of course there's also the scientific approach and you can use an airplane, but this sounds now much more dull, don't you think?