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I agree with Java completely.

That's too bad. Can't even have a discussion without personal emotions running. I can see where Java would get mad. It's just disheartening that a "discussion" can't even happen without personal feelings getting hurt. I understand personal feelings tend to sway ones mind on a certain topic -- that's perfectly acceptable.

fox and the hound....... i can only remeber two things aboutthat cartoon and both of them made me cry when i was little... one of them bon already said (mean cartoon woman!) and that mean man..not letting the fox and the dog be friends and making him hunt the fox down....... yea.. and then there was that cliff or somthing one of them feel off of. evil people..... i dk why people are evil. maybe there on power trips or somthing I dk why religion would be brought into this… I mean Christian / religion or not ..there are evil people.

It's not an easy question to answer. What makes a person evil? What makes a person good? Perhaps the answers to both of these questions have a lot in common. The more general question I'm going to address is "What makes a person who they are?" (I use the word "makes" for lack of a better word at the moment.)We can all come up with our theories. Here's mine:Generally, people are who they are because of what they experience. Evil, good, religious, non-religious, biase, etc. The funny thing is even if people go through the same situation (even the same events for that matter) it doesn't necessarily mean that they got the same experience out of it. That's what makes each of us unique.I can sit here and I can ask myself, "Why am I not Christian?" The general answer would be because my experiences have brought me to conclusion that Christianity is not the religion for me. I can go into specifics, but I can't really say that the particular reason being discussed is the reason for me not being Christian. I can say, "I didn't go to church throughout my childhood and that's why I'm not Chrisitian" or "I was always taught to look at bible stories as something to be taken as moral lessons instead of literal happenings and that's why I'm not Christian"... But in my opinion these things that I said are both incorrect and correct at the same time. It's probably a part of the reason, but not THE reason.I've never killed someone and I don't see myself doing so unless I'm defending myself or someone I love. This is a part of the reason why I cannot understand what exactly would drive a person to kill so many people... or what would make a person so evil, as you would say. I don't understand it... but in a more general sense, and in accordance with my theory, people do what they do because of their personal experiences in life.

good post websexinfoblackmanoncampus I think you're missing the whole point. and why java's upset personal feelings set aside.

And what point is that? That someone who does something -- directly or indirectly -- terrible ie. holocaust, is incapable of doing one good thing? I stated numerous times that he was evil. I was not disputing that. But things that he brought to Germany and to the world (Holocaust aside) were things that we can and DO benefit from. I'm not trying to glorify the Nazi regime, nor Hitler. But you can't look at one thing a person does and dismiss the others. You have to look at it without a myopic point of view. This is the same principal that we (hopefully) use to excuse criminals who have been rehabilitated through our court and prison systems; and please don't compare shoplifting or robbery to the holocaust. I'll throw out one more tidbit in this area to further validate my point that helpful things, helpful being the key word; did in fact come from the Third Reich. Franz H. Mueller. Know who he was? In 1939 (some 15-20 years prior to the surgeon's general doctrine), it was he and few other scientists working FOR the Nazi regime, under Hitler, who made the first link connecting tobacco products, carcinogens, and lung cancer. It was because of this that Hitler banned smoking in certain places and on certain public modes of transportation. I don't think anyone can say that we didn't benefit from that knowledge. Want to know more:http://www.adl.org/Braun/dim_14_1_nazi_med.asp I know why Java's upset, and I'm sorry for the terrible things that happened to her family. It's not anything I'd wish upon ANYONE -- regardless of my personal feelings toward them. I'm not trying to say that what happened wasn't evil; all I'm saying is that no matter how evil someone may be, they can still do great things whether you're affected directly or indirectly by said extraordinary acts.

It is sad. His own father was Jewish I believe. I think you noted that earlier in the thread, A.W. Ironically, he was trying to create a superior race of blue eyed, blonde haired people. Even though he, himself was brown eyed, brown haired. But getting back on subject as why some people are evil. I have to agree with, I believe, websexinfo. I believe it deals with your upbringing, the situation you evolved from, or even in some cases just mental instability. I'll refer back to Jeffrey Dahmer. While on trial he showed no remorse even after seeing his own work (horrific pictures of bodies). I read he was somewhat more amazed with the pictures as if they were something -- for lack of a better word -- beautiful. Same with John W. Gacy, David Berkowitz (son of sam), J. Lee Malvo and John Mohammed, and the zodiac killer. But to tie back to the circumstances surrounding one's life, I think one of the better examples would be Aileen Wuornos. Strange, as I'm typing this there's also a program on television (History Channel) about Vlad Tepesch a.k.a. Vlad the Impaler a.k.a. Dracula.

Quote:Fuck him, and Fuck you for borderline defending him. Wow wow wow .. guysssssssss calm down!

lol I am calm Takes more to get me worked up. I don't exactly get pissed on the internet either. Sticks and stones, Love-- Cpt. Jack Sparrow

He never did ANYTHING extraordinary, except killing millions of people and making hatred, racism, and anti-semitism common place in todays society. I'm not even going to to touch on how what Mueller did has NOTHING to do with hitler, because he isn't hitler, now is he? And It's also not that big of a stretch, nor would we be that far behind realizing that ciggarettes cause cancer, so that point is ridiculously moot.I have looked at this with out a ego point of view, and after careful consideration I believe that Hitler never did anything great but kill my people, Human People.You hang onto the fact that a mass murdering psychotic son of a bitch who I pray got what he deserved was "great" or did "great things" or was capable of "great things" or being "moral" Fuck that. You have to take the whole picture into focus. And you know god damned well what the whole picture is.

Originally Posted By: Java_AddictHe never did ANYTHING extraordinary, except killing millions of people and making hatred, racism, and anti-semitism common place in todays society. I'm not even going to to touch on how what Mueller did has NOTHING to do with hitler, because he isn't hitler, now is he? And It's also not that big of a stretch, nor would we be that far behind realizing that ciggarettes cause cancer, so that point is ridiculously moot.It's not a moot point. Just because Mueller is NOT hitler doesn't mean anything. You insist Hitler killed millions of people. To completely dissect this as you did with Mueller not being Hitler, himself, show me where Hitler personally pulled the trigger. It was the men under him and the Nazi regime who did the bidding. You can't say "Hitler's men killed the millions, but Hitler's men did not advance science." That's a contradiction in and of itself.  Quote:I have looked at this with out a ego point of view, and after careful consideration I believe that Hitler never did anything great but kill my people, Human People.You hang onto the fact that a mass murdering psychotic son of a bitch who I pray got what he deserved was "great" or did "great things" or was capable of "great things" or being "moral" Fuck that. You have to take the whole picture into focus. And you know god damned well what the whole picture is. I understand that MANY HUMANS perished IN VAIN. But that is the ONLY THING people care to perceive out of the entire situation. They always want to bring up the two and make them synonymous. Hitler = Holocaust...the end. Not, Hitler = Holocaust, improved television, jet-propelled aircraft (including the ejection seat), guided missiles, electronic computers, the electron microscope, atomic fission, data-processing technologies, and pesticides (which help Americas bread basket FEED MILLIONS). So honestly I AM looking at the whole picture. How many different ways can I say that YES, HE WAS EVIL, incited hatred against a vast population for no other reason than his own vendetta. He commanded troops to kill people, he instructed doctors to perform diabolical acts against humans and animals. I get that. Many families were wiped out and the ripple effects will forever reverberate through the pages of future history. I UNDERSTAND. But to say he ONLY killed millions is just not the case.

I dunno about you, but I can live with out all the things "he" created. Hitler stands for the holocaust. He stands for evil. Mueller is a scientist under Hitler, yes. He how ever, was not directly instructed to do the things he did, we was a scientist. The men who murdered and tortured millions of people, were directly ordered. I would live as a happy woman if the things that happened to be invented under him, weren't. Those don't make up for what he did. And they never will.

Originally Posted By: Java_AddictI dunno about you, but I can live with out all the things "he" created. Hitler stands for the holocaust. He stands for evil. Mueller is a scientist under Hitler, yes. He how ever, was not directly instructed to do the things he did, we was a scientist. The men who murdered and tortured millions of people, were directly ordered. I would live as a happy woman if the things that happened to be invented under him, weren't. Those don't make up for what he did. And they never will. Absolutely I could live without it as well. I agree nothing will ever replace human life. But also in the context of the advancements I do not plan on growing my own crops or establishing a living off of farm lands; nor do I plan on going into space. But I betcha Bill Gates is somewhat happy where he's sitting and happy with the advancements. I'm sorry if I made you disgruntled, was not my intention. I just try to look at things from a different side on some topics that may be considered taboo. It's not because I like making people uncomfortable, it's because sometimes (this part is not directed at you) some people are misinformed. I've been misinformed on many things and I appreciate it when people correct me. I just want people to come to a conclusion based off of an entire spectrum of information instead of one aspect of something, in this case, Hitler's holocaust and persecution of millions.

no offense but I'm pretty sure SOMEONE would have come up with those things sooner or later. Hitler wasn't the only one with a brain and an imagination.

Well this is true, but how long? You can't look at it from a, "someone PROBABLY would've come up with that sooner or later" mindset. Albert Einstein's Theory of Relativity: E = MC2. Someone probably would've come up with that sooner or later ie. Stephen Hawkings is a good candidate, but that doesn't detract one iota from Albert Einstein and his theory. He's still considered one of the greatest minds in the history of the planet.

But Einstein didn't come up with what Hitler came up with. Nor did he try to exterminate an entire race.

they're completely different sciences altogether. Tell me though, when was the last time you used the theory that says speed is relative to space and time? Or the last time you read about quantum physics? Now tell me, when was the last time you had a salad? Last time you were in a plane? Last time you were on your computer??

I'm going to avoid telling you to shove the condescending tone right up your ass.

What condescending tone? I was being honest with what I wrote to you. I am sorry I made you angry. But if you're not going to accept it, that's not my fault.

To Abby as well, you have this "I know everything, and am knowledgable about everything, more so then you" tone. While I realize this is the internet, and tones often get confused, yours was quite clear.