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Yes this is not very helpful.

It kind of screws up everything, but I still feel she is being unjust and it really pisses me off.

Quote:He doesn't want to and doesn't have to.. Why the fuck can't people just leave it be? What the fuck is wrong with people? shrugsThat's my most honest answer. Pfft, even I don't know what's wrong me. Originally Posted By: cooldawg2If I said that atheism is full of bigotry, hypocrisy, and bullshit, you'd be up my ass in a heartbeat. Yet you just sit there and allow bob to say that. Feel free to share. That would be interesting, but I'm sure I'd agree there's flaws as well.But Bob is Bob. He has a mind of his own.

Go to the bottom of the forum where it says:Privacy statement · My Cookies · Mark all read Powered by UBB.threads™ Contact Us · AfraidToAsk · Top Click on My Cookies and then click on the Expire cookies..See if that fixes it. Besides it would say Moderator next to her name if she was a moderator.

It fixed it and it also fixed the order of the links at the top

It had Calendar at the end and FAQ in its place.

So before it went: Forum List, My Stuff, User List, FAQ, Active Topics, Search, Calendar.

It's in the correct order now.

No.. It's been fixed..

I've never been nor will I ever be a mod. I'm way too immature...and crazy. :smirk:

My computer is fucked, old, and probably has millions of files of spyware and frankly I'm too lazy to do anything about it. It's also possible that my browser has been reading the code wrong from the page source. I've had it happen when I code my own websites. It'll take random words in the page and put them as links in other places. The link for Virtual Star's profile in the Mod List, didn't even go anywhere. It just said that the page couldn't be displayed. Ahh the wonders of computing.

Yes I did understand the question..No she's never been a mod and the problem with cools display was fixed by deleteing the A2A cookies.

It'll take random words in the page and put them as links in other places. those are Ads placed by the owner of the website to help pay for this place..It can be turned off if you read the sticky pop-ups thread.

But if you tied it in with cool's response to my instructions, you wouldn't have been confused.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2

The one thing I don't understand is this:

If cells and their organelles evolved overtime, how did the mutations happen without a nucleus, mitochondrion, and a ribosome?

I mean I can see how things could evolve after all this stuff has been laid out, but don't you need those 3 organelles before you have mutations, transcriptions, and translations that could account for other organelles and the complex cell function?

I'm going to address this question first and comment on your little meltdown after.

I'm gonna run through one of the current hypothesis (note: not a theory) for Abiogenesis, the creation of life. First thing to understand is that scientists don't believe that life arose from lightening striking a mud puddle or that it simply popped into existence.

Lets look at the primordial Earth, about 4 billion years ago. Mostly wet, very warm with an atmosphere composed of all sorts of gases. Hydrogen, Hydrogen-cyanide, Methane and Ammonia amongst them. DNA is a long chain molecule made from just 4 different types of nucleotide, so the first question is where did the nucleotides come from? Well they can actually form on their own quite well, in 1961 Hydrogen-Cyanide and Ammonia were left stewing in a lab in conditions similar to that of primordial Earth and when left alone, Adenine formed, one of the 4 nucleotides that make up DNA.

Now for polynucleotides. In the 1980s, scientists found that a clay called montmorilinite, which was abundant on the primordial sea floor and hot pools on land, is the perfect catalyst for binding nucleotides, creating polynucleotides.

Some of these polynucleotide chains, like Ribonucleic Acid (or RNA), are able to make copies of themselves, although not always perfectly. Some of these imperfect copies were actually better adapted to their environment than their counterparts. These successful molecules continued to replicate and pass on their genetic information while weaker and less adapted molecules fell apart. Here you have the birth of mutation and evolution by natural selection.

Over hundreds of millions of years the RNA became more complex. The single strand of RNA became a double strand and the better adapted DNA molecule evolved.

I'm sorry for upsetting you Abi but sometimes the technicalities do matter. My objective view of Christianity doesn't blind me from all the good aspects of it, the promotion of love and kindness and the message of forgiveness. But those things can be achieved without the baggage of dogma. If Christianity was simply the good things that I said above, there would be no problem with it, but its not. It creates ridiculous laws based around a mythical creature's wrath, laws that most Christians have discarded themselves. No eating meat on Friday, stoning an adulterer. Some of the archaic rules are still followed of course, like killing gay men.You can separate yourself from these things, in fact I encourage it, but you cannot say that this is not Christianity. Its all there in the holy book, the word of God, the Truth. "I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2Do expand on the flaws, I'll do my best to tell you that there aren't flaws in the Bible at least.I'll give you 2 to explain for me then.The FirstThe son shall not bear the iniquity of the father. - Ezekiel 18:20 ... I the lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation. - Exodus 20:5The SecondFor by grace are ye saved through faith... not of works. - Ephesians 2:8-9Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. - James 2:24

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2Do unto others and you would have them do unto you.The phrase is actually "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Originally Posted By: cooldawg2I'm sure none of you would enjoy me making fun of atheism constantly.Who is making fun of Chrisitianity? I'm quite seriously criticising it, as you can freely do about Atheism. I welcome any questions or comments about Atheism, I encourage you to make them. I assure you, I will not take them as personally as you do. Originally Posted By: cooldawg2Coming from a standpoint where Hitler, Stalin, and Dahmer go unpunished when they die, how can you say that Christianity is flawed? Atheism is flawed if you ask me.Some bad men did bad things and got away with it, what is your point here? Atheism doesn't dictate that these people must escape judgement, Atheism has no dogma. It is simply a lack of believe in God or an afterlife. You may feel angry that these men were never punished for their crimes when they were alive, I'm on your side with that, but your feelings have no sway on the validity of Atheism.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2

Well I get mad when anyone attacks my viewpoint. Deep down I really feel he's wrong. And I'd really like to show him that he is wrong and maybe change his thinking as well as mine. As would anyone when you feel someone is wrong about anything.

Once again, I wasn't the one who initiated this argument.

Well deep down I really feel that you are wrong too. But the difference is that when I say that life evolved, I can back it up with evidence. When I say that the earth is billions of years old, I can back it up with evidence. When I say that the universe is even older, I can back it up with evidence. When you tell me that God created the Universe, where is your evidence?

really good points in all of your posts bobby.can someone answer this question for me:If God created us, who created God?thats something ive been wondering for a very long time.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousI'm sorry for upsetting you Abi but sometimes the technicalities do matter. My objective view of Christianity doesn't blind me from all the good aspects of it, the promotion of love and kindness and the message of forgiveness.I have a hard time believing your view of Christianity is objective. I don't even believe it's particularly well-informed. I don't mean that to slight you in any way. You're a smart guy who knows a lot of stuff. But your understanding of Christianity is obviously lacking. Quote:But those things can be achieved without the baggage of dogma.First of all...not baggage.Secondly...Christianity is not dogma, at least not in the sense that religion is. I think one of the things that Christians understand that non-believers don't is that Christianity and religion are not the same thing.  Quote:If Christianity was simply the good things that I said above, there would be no problem with it, but its not.Once again, I don't think you at all understand what Christianity is. To be a Christian is to be a follower of Christ and his message, which is one of love and forgiveness and grace. If you are trying to add anything to that, you are talking about something that is not Christianity. Quote:It creates ridiculous laws based around a mythical creature's wrath, laws that most Christians have discarded themselves. This is why I can't help believing that your view and understanding of Christianity is skewed, ill-informed, and quite possibly very biased. Christianity does not create laws period. Christ came to fulfill the law. What laws do you think were created by Christianity? Quote:No eating meat on Friday,This is not a law, or even an idea from Biblical Christianity. It is a Catholic thing. Much like priests being celibate, or confessing to a priest. Catholicism, not Biblical Christianity. Quote:stoning an adulterer.Do you understand at all the difference between the old Mosaic law and the law of Christ? It's the difference between Judaism and Christianity. Do you remember the story from the New Testament where the Pharisees bring a woman accused of adultery to Jesus saying she should be stoned? Jesus says "He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone." The Pharisees, of course, have to skedaddle. Jesus then says to the woman, "I don't condemn you either. Go and stop committing adultery." That's Christianity, not the version you are putting out there.  Quote:Some of the archaic rules are still followed of course, like killing gay men.If you are referring to Leviticus 20:13, it certainly looks problematic on the surface. However, I think you are glossing over this passage and twisting it to serve your purpose. First of all, this is, once again, from the Mosaic Law, not Christianity. The same passage that would condemn homosexuality with death, also appears to condemn adultery with death. And I've already reminded you how Jesus (ergo Christianity) deals with that. Secondly, there is a whole list of things in Mosaic law that are punishable by death that no Christian would say should cause someone to be put to death. Just as no Christian would say it is a sin to have a house with a slanted roof. Quote:You can separate yourself from these things, in fact I encourage it, but you cannot say that this is not Christianity.Indeed I can, and quite emphatically...as I just did. Quote:Its all there in the holy book, the word of God, the Truth. Bob, you can't read the Bible like you would read Winnie the Pooh or The DaVinci Code. It is not just one narrative read from beginning to end, all the same kind of literature to be understood the same. You have to be more sophisticated than that. The books of the Law in the Old Testament are different from the books of Poetry (like Psalms) which are different from the Gospels. They are written for different purposes. Some are meant to be taken literally, some of it is allegory. Only when you bother to understand that can you get beyond ridiculous assertions like "Christianity says you are supposed to kill gay men." Quote:"I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." Matthew 5:18 Amen