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nahh HCl is a dick head atheist and I know he's posting this to further his reputation as an asshole.

Actually you sound like an asshole after posting this. When people spoke this way to you you threw a fit and made a big deal about leaving.. (and you ended up coming back). How about you reconsider the way you speak to others.. because you didn't like it when people spoke this way to you.

This Community should be getting along!! How many of us have been here for a couple years? Ive been here since I was in grade 9! Ive learned so much from this place... and become a completely different person because of some of the things I learned here.. I used to be a extremely immature person who didn't really like black people.. or homosexuals. Speaking to people like eddie, and helms, and ineligible and pretty much all our moderators have completely changed my views on life. Has no one learned anything from this website... ? Is this your place to come vent and bitch and argue? Because if it is.. maybe you guys need to start rethinking the things you do and the way you treat people. I know sometimes I'm no better... but I learn from what I do.. I learn from what I say.. and the way people react to it.

WE- as a community- should be getting along.. and welcoming new posters.

Can we all just try and get along and not bitch/put down someone else .. for a week??

I know sometimes I read posts and they sound sooo mean and hurtful... but after REreading it I realized that I looked like a tool because I took it the wrong way.

Originally Posted By: bobaliciousWhat would have been wrong with just calling him a dick head? Why bother adding the atheist part, you Christian bigot. I wasn't stereotyping atheists. The way he was talking to me in PM's made him out to be an atheist, but apparently he's not. I don't hate all atheist, just some of them are completely obnoxious. My question is, why do they get so huffed up over something that doesn't exist in their mind. That's like me getting pissed off and ranting about flying toasters.He just seems to degrade everyones views and/or opinions. I'm just sick of it. Sometimes he's nice and other times he just tries to make himself out to know everything and correct everyone.

Quote:My question is, why do they get so huffed up over something that doesn't exist in their mind. That's like me getting pissed off and ranting about flying toasters.Man, are you serious? Did you not get it the first time?Be fair and ask the same question about yourself. Why do you get upset about when people question your religion? Why do you get upset when people tell you that there is no God? Why do you get upset when people say that the Bible is nothing more than a fairytale book?Learn dude....

There's a difference. In my world, God exists, in their world he doesn't. So of course I can defend something that I believe exists. But how come they get huffed about to begin with, if in their world God doesn't exist.

Because you're insinuating that the belief of the lack of God is something less trivial, therefore you can force your thoughts to theirs.What you fail to understand is saying such is condensending, to those who don't believe in the Christian God.Why not ask the same for someone who is a Buddist or Hindu?

I didn't say it was. You obviously missed the point.

Well first of all, I've never forced my belief on someone. All I've done is point out flaws in the atheist argument and they've done the same to me. I guess you could consider when I presented Pascal's Wager to be me trying to force my belief on them, but let me tell you this: You can't lose if you accept any God. When you die, you will meet the supposed creator (if there is in fact one) and you will be given a chance to accept whatever there is to accept (maybe Jesus) if it is the Christian God that created us. The unforgivable sin is to deny God to the death. That was the essence of Pascal's Wager. It has nothing to do with a "certain God", it has to do with believing in a superior being. I would rather believe in something that might not exist but could save me from an eternity in hell than not believe and spend eternity in hell wishing they had had the faith to believe. And even Hindus and Buddhists believe in a superior being(s) and a heaven. Atheism isn't a belief or religion it's a lack of belief or faith. Atheists will tell you that they just questioned why they should believe in something they didn't see proof of. And my time here has been trying to say that there is indirect proof of a God. There is never going to be definitive proof of God.

You're probably gonna get flamed for that, but I couldn't agree with you more.

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Atheism isn't a belief or religion it's a lack of belief or faith. Atheists will tell you that they just questioned why they should believe in something they didn't see proof of.
But isn't the belief that there's no God still a belief?

When you think about it, it's all the same.

This isn't about the lack of faith, A.W.. I'm trying to figure out why Cooldawg feels like he can condensend to those who don't follow a particular faith.

ADDED: Though, I will say it's pretty arrogant for you to use the word "truth".

You can't believe in something that doesn't exist at all. Atheism means "against god" It's a state of denial and a lack of faith for a deity. Religion is a set of beliefs. There are no beliefs in atheism.Ask bobalicious if atheism is religion. http://atheism.about.com/od/aboutatheism/p/AtheismReligion.htm

Originally Posted By: Virtual_StarThis isn't about the lack of faith, A.W.. I'm trying to figure out why Cooldawg feels like he can condensend to those who don't follow a particular faith. Free speech my friend.

alright you want free speech? ill give ya free speech

God sucks, Jesus sucks,the holy ghost sucks, your mom sucks, you suck, everything you say,think and do is wrong and your feet smell like burnt rubber and alpaca dooky

see,im allowed to say those things but if i were a decent person (which i am) should i? No, i shouldnt. now whilst you havent insulted the smell of an atheists feet, or their mother, you have implied that basically, the way they think is wrong and their beliefs are wrong (and yes it is a belief to not believe in god) in the most condescending tone.

why dont you do us all a favor and just stop posting on shit like this and just watch damien and learn, he can discuss his beliefs and opinions on other peoples beliefs with a modicum of respect instead of the overwhelming condescension and the "holier than thou" attitude constantly spewing from every orifice of your body.

Thank you and have a nice day.

I'm using "belief" as in personal opinion.So again, think about it. Isn't the idea that there's no God still a belief?When someone says "I don't believe in God", isn't that a personal opinion? Wouldn't it be the same if someone else were to say "I believe in God"?Whether Atheism is a religion or not isn't the point. I'm trying to say that both ideas are equal to an individual.For someone to tell a Christian, "Why can't you accept that there's no God," is the same as if a Christian would say "Why can't you believe in God?" Originally Posted By: cooldawg2Free speech my friend. Are you sure it's free speech, or just your Christian personal bigotry?

A belief, is a belief in something. A trust in something. An object, thought, person, action, etc. You can't believe in something that doesn't exist.

eh you should probably change that to "personal bigotry" Virtual

Yes master. Though, I'm pretty much prepared for what's going to happen, heh.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2A belief, is a belief in something. A trust in something. An object, thought, person, action, etc. Thank you, then we agree.

Originally Posted By: cooldawg2A belief, is a belief in something. A trust in something. An object, thought, person, action, etc. You can't believe in something that doesn't exist. A belief can be summed up in a statement..."I believe toast is tasty" or "I believe in insert deity here". You think Atheism is like saying "I don't believe in God". But can't you just as easily say "I believe there is not, and cannot be a God" ?

A.W., its an argument. Big whoop! Nobody is getting hurt, some people don't need to be sheltered every moment of their lives and can discuss this stuff without falling apart. I'm not trying to convert anyone to atheism, I just enjoy discussing it.As for whether Atheism is a belief, it really depends on the person. People have their own reasons for not believing in gods, some look at all the evil in the world and ask how can a god exist and let so many bad things happen. Some have personal vendettas against religion and organised belief systems. And some, like myself, just see facts. There is no reason to believe in a god, its a story. When I tell you that there is an invisible unicorn in my bedroom, you don't believe me because its obviously ridiculous and it doesn't conform to how we know the world works. How is God any different? Because its an older story? Because more people know it?Simply put, there is no reason to even consider the whole god thing. You can look at the world and imagine that some magical creature made everything, or you can take a proper look and realise that everything has a real, yet in no way less fascinating, explanation. So as to whether Atheism is a belief in no God, to some it is. But to some, it really is just the non-acceptance of someone else's unsupported, unrealistic, undeniably flawed, childish, arrogant, selfish, mental masturbation of a fairy tale.