Pope says condoms won't solve AIDS

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"Superstition and voodoo beliefs have the people performing heinous acts upon each other with little remorse or guilt. NO amount of sex education and condoms is going to change that."Dear god... I'm not even going to touch the bigotry or the inherent proclamation of superiority, there.Condoms, education and socio-economic opportunity are the only things that can stem the tide of violence in Africa.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfAnd I want to point out, Thor, that there necessarily isn’t anything wrong with giving into your desire as long as you are giving into your desire safely. That's the crux of the matter...there is no such thing as giving into your desire safely. You can mitigate the risk, but you can NOT eliminate it...not even with a condom. To teach people that condoms can insure protection is what is foolish...and is also a lie.

" To teach people that condoms can insure protection is what is foolish...and is also a lie."Who the hell ever said it "insures" anything?What fuckin' sex ed shit are you listening to?

"Dear god... I'm not even going to touch the bigotry or the inherent proclamation of superiority, there.Condoms, education and socio-economic opportunity are the only things that can stem the tide of violence in Africa."Then I'll simply add that just because you want something to happen, doesn't mean it will.But in your infinite wisdom, pray do tell how a condom will stave off violence in Africa. If so everyone should have a condom. We can achieve world peace! roflmao

Originally Posted By: thorIn every case of the transmittal of AIDS that has ever sexually occured, abstinance would have prevented it. Better than a condom, or anything else, because you always have it with you. wow, it's so simple yet so brilliant... why doesn't it work?

"Then I'll simply add that just because you want something to happen, doesn't mean it will."What the hell are you talking about. Are you saying that the people in Africa are to stupid and backward to be able to comprehend education? Or that they are the sole ones responsible for their economic plight?>>>"But in your infinite wisdom, pray do tell how a condom will stave off violence in Africa. If so everyone should have a condom. We can achieve world peace! roflmao"Don't try to simplify a statement down to nothingness and thereby avoid meaning.In my "infinite wisdom" the AIDs epidemic in Africa needs to be addressed by a three prong approach. First through education so people know that facts and don't have to rely on rumor and lowest common denominator wisdom. Second, encourage the use of condoms to slow the rate of spread of the disease. Third, empower the local economies so that people have opportunity and aren't joining military organizations, be they government or rebel, so they can eat and have shelter. Thus less violence, less rape, and less spread of the disease and better opportunity for the inhabitants of the continent.Is that spelled out clear enough or do I need to type slower next time.

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedfor fuck sakesthat's about as intellegent as corelating AIDS to black skin If there is a correlation between being black and having AIDS that is a result of a known correlation between having AIDS and not being circumcised, how is that not a valid correlation to make?(I'm not even saying that's the case. I'm just saying that I obviously have a far superior grasp on statistics and research than you, which obviously comes from a far superior education in a far superior region. )

Originally Posted By: unsupervised Originally Posted By: thorIn every case of the transmittal of AIDS that has ever sexually occured, abstinance would have prevented it. Better than a condom, or anything else, because you always have it with you. wow, it's so simple yet so brilliant... why doesn't it work? Equally simple answer:It worked for a long time. Then this whole "casual sex" thing got started in the late 60's/early 70's where it became socially acceptable not to practice abstinance outside of marriage. More and more people jumped on the "if it feels good, do it!" bandwagon, and here we are today with a global epidemic. Wonderful stuff, eh?

it's not the statistics that you are "grasping"a number is a number. It's what you interpret from the number that demonstrates your wisdom or lack there of.AIDS is more prevelent in areas where circumsision is less common. That doesn't draw a logical line between the two facts.It also is hot in Africa, does that draw a statistical link to AIDS too? If so, I fear the aproaching summer.Did your superior educational system ever touch on the horse feather argument?

You're absolutely right Abi. My brothers girlfriend Saysha is from South Africa.. shes moving here this summer. She has told me stories that absolutely disgust me!!! Such as men driving around in Taxis who pull u into their cab and rape you.. whether youre a woman a man or a child!! Its horrible!She also told me something that they believe you will be rid of HIV/AIDS if you have sex with a virgin because it will "cleanse and purify" you. BULLSHIT!! They are killing young and innocent children.

I almost forgot, no one did it for fun before the 60s

but wait, why didn't the human race just become extinct before we invented marriage?

Quote: Thor, that there necessarily isn’t anything wrong with giving into your desire as long as you are giving into your desire safely.WE may not believe that pre-marital sex is wrong. But there are many people out there who do. They may see that giving into your desire whatsoever as a sin or something that they are strongly against.. safe or not.

Quote:To teach people that condoms can insure protection is what is foolish...and is also a lie. You got that wrong. I dont think any condom company has ever ensured protection. You cant.. its not 100%. I have always seen it advertised as .. Condoms can prevent the risk of pregnancy and STDs by ___%. Even my doctor recommends I use two forms of birthcontrol because my pills are not 100% effective nor are condoms.

it's true, nothing is absolute... not even abstinence

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfAnd I want to point out, Thor, that there necessarily isn’t anything wrong with giving into your desire as long as you are giving into your desire safely. That's the crux of the matter...there is no such thing as giving into your desire safely. You can mitigate the risk, but you can NOT eliminate it...not even with a condom. To teach people that condoms can insure protection is what is foolish...and is also a lie. Who said anything that it "insures" aboslute safety?? I know I personally NEVER said that. What I did say is it GREATLY reduce the spread of the disease.My opinion you can either properly teach people proper sex education including condoms AND abstinence or be ignorant to the topic and foolishly only preach abstinence. Which do you think is going to get the best outcome? I personally believe teaching both will.Sex education is more than just "Here take a condom and use it before sex". Sex education goes deeper as it explains the risks of sex even when using protection. It gets people informed so they can make appropriate choices. In the United States there is a serious lack of sex education. There are still many people who don't understand how to prevent transmition of many of the sexually transmitted diseases. If we want to take control of the disease than we need to educate the public.

Originally Posted By: thor Originally Posted By: unsupervised Originally Posted By: thorIn every case of the transmittal of AIDS that has ever sexually occured, abstinance would have prevented it. Better than a condom, or anything else, because you always have it with you. wow, it's so simple yet so brilliant... why doesn't it work? Equally simple answer:It worked for a long time. Then this whole "casual sex" thing got started in the late 60's/early 70's where it became socially acceptable not to practice abstinance outside of marriage. More and more people jumped on the "if it feels good, do it!" bandwagon, and here we are today with a global epidemic. Wonderful stuff, eh? Wait wait!!You really don't think people had sex for fun or outside of marriage before the 1960's?? Trust me, it happened more than you probably think. I think the biggest reason people have this misconception is because sex was not something people talked about. It was VERY private thus people simply did not talk about their sex life. But trust me, people were still having it... just not talking about it.

Originally Posted By: StephieJ  Quote: Thor, that there necessarily isn’t anything wrong with giving into your desire as long as you are giving into your desire safely.WE may not believe that pre-marital sex is wrong. But there are many people out there who do. They may see that giving into your desire whatsoever as a sin or something that they are strongly against.. safe or not. Oh I get that... but again (And I'm sure you agree) that if people are going to "fall into their temptation" than they should at least have the knowledge on how to be safe so they don't end up with a disease or an unplanned pregnancy.Yes Thor there is the "People should have more restraint and wait for marriage and not fall into temptation" blah blah... we are all human and sex is part of human nature. Humans have fallen into temptation since the beginning of time; nothing is going to change that. What we CAN change is the knowledge people have about sex and the protections they need.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfYou really don't think people had sex for fun or outside of marriage before the 1960's?? Trust me, it happened more than you probably think. Honestly, I'm not as "sheltered" as you seem to think. I'm well aware of the truth of what you imply. My point was not that it didn't happen...but that it happened a whole lot less often. Now that it's more socially acceptable, one of the psychological barriers against it has been removed...it becomes harder to say "no" to yourself. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

Originally Posted By: thor

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

You really don't think people had sex for fun or outside of marriage before the 1960's?? Trust me, it happened more than you probably think.

Honestly, I'm not as "sheltered" as you seem to think. I'm well aware of the truth of what you imply. My point was not that it didn't happen...but that it happened a whole lot less often. Now that it's more socially acceptable, one of the psychological barriers against it has been removed...it becomes harder to say "no" to yourself. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.

I bet if a study is done (And I'm sure there might already be one) about pre-marital sex from say 50-60 years ago and from today there wouldn't but that huge of an increase. Sex was just a topic people didn't talk about as I stated before.

I think saying "no" to sex was just as hard 50 years ago as it is today. Denying yourself sexual gratification has never been an easy thing, and I don't think it's any easier in today's society simply because sex is more openly talked about.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfI think saying “no” to sex was just as hard 50 years ago as it is today. Denying yourself sexual gratification has never been an easy thing, and I don’t think it’s any easier in today’s society simply because sex is more openly talked about. I think you're wrong, as far as the difference between then and now is concerned. You're completely dismissing the power of peer-pressure. With all the peer-pressure back then to abstain, there were fewer folks that did not do exactly that.