The world is changing...

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...in ways you may not be aware of.

Then go live in a Muslim country and live under their Sharia laws. It's easy to talk your talk until your way of life is curtailed.But the numbers don't lie and the trend is inevitable. A prime example has already occured in Europe. With the very high birth rate of Albanians in Kosovo, the demographic balance became very lopsided leading to conflict. Similar scenarios can unfold in the future in western countries.

"This is a call to action."

No matter what the numbers are saying, do you realise that that video is actually calling for a holy war?

Muslims are not evil people. I don't agree with the religion at all but I'm not gonna start slaughtering the people because of it. The only thing that needs protection from the spread of Islam are the governments. If you have a secular government then it doesn't matter who is in the country, as their decisions won't (or atleast shouldn't) be influenced by any one religion's nut job beliefs.

Originally Posted By: bobalicious"This is a call to action."No matter what the numbers are saying, do you realise that that video is actually calling for a holy war?Muslims are not evil people. I don't agree with the religion at all but I'm not gonna start slaughtering the people because of it. The only thing that needs protection from the spread of Islam are the governments. If you have a secular government then it doesn't matter who is in the country, as their decisions won't (or atleast shouldn't) be influenced by any one religion's nut job beliefs. The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message.

Yahh! Grab your torches and pitchforks! Let's go raid houses and kill anyone with brown skin, and doesn't worship at churches!Oh no...There's a more Muslims living in the world today...I'm shaking in my boots...I think I might --faintsWow, that was kind of stupid. You don't think this has happened in the world before, like Rad said?So what? Cultures change all the time. How many "true" Americans (and by that, I mean descendants of Pilgrims, etc.) exist anymore? Pretty soon, there's going to be an influx of Japanese too. Should we take up arms, freak out about the Japanese too?Yay! Let's get excited about something that happens naturally, and make it matter of the utmost importance to make sure change doesn't happen!-.-

Alright....that was officially one of THE most racist things I've ever read. To think that a holy man, declared of his own will (meaning you, apparently...) said that...Shoot, dude, that "war" has been going on for over 1000 years, and guess who started it? Christians, because anyone's who different, must be friends with Lucifer, you know it!I really can't believe you said that. You claim that you don't shove your head in the sand, but yet, you just COMPLETELY stereotyped an entire people.>>Something I forgot<<Alright, now see, this whole thing with Sharia Law, I'm completely fine with it. People have this misconceived notion that's it's all horrible, and and everything (I talk about this with my family a lot, we have these kind of discussions often), but it's part of their RELIGION. Yeah, there's things we don't like about other religions, but we don't step in. There are things I'm almost positive other religions don't like about Christianity, any form, but they don't care enough to take action over it. We shouldn't stick our noses into places where they don't belong. We had this discussion in my English class, with Kite Runner, too. I even have a Muslim friend, she has to wear her hi jab(sp) and all too, and she explained a lot of these things to the class, that it's just the way it is. I couldn't care less, it's what they do, based on their belief, just like with our bread and wine.

Well when it comes to Sharia Law then I actually have to have a word with it. A religion is not a government, it is not in the position to have laws, especially if the laws and punishments go against the laws of the inhabitants' nation. Sharia Law does enforce oppression against women, something that goes against international law. Although the burqa is optional for Muslim women in most Western countries, the hijab is not. They are forced to wear it, so it doesn't even matter if they claim its their choice because in reality, they don't have a choice!There was a poll in Ireland a few weeks ago that revealed that 40% of Muslims in Ireland would rather live under Sharia Law than Irish law. Do you know what the response of most Irish people was? If you want Sharia Law, then fuck off somewhere that has it. When you're in our country you live by our rules. There is no special treatment for anyone.

Were you and/or your family directly affected by that ethnic cleansing in Kosovo? Actually, yes. I do have family who have lost their homes to Albanians. I envision everybody who does come, like they always have, adopt the country and become an American. That's a nice vision. Unfortunatley, I don't think that will be the case. Their culture will become prevalent with their population increase. When their population increases to the extent that they vote in representatives into the government and when they start enacting rules that fit "their" lifestyle, what then? Of course, it won't happen in our lifetime. But things will eventually change.

But I don't see--me wanting to follow my religion and do something that I believe I have to do--as special treatment, and sure as hell not in the US. I'm not saying that all other countries can screw off, and we're the best, but I am saying, that our constitution provides them that freedom, that they can do that, and no one can take that away. And I know a religion isn't a gov't, of course I do, but any religion enforces such things, but they're just not thought of as laws. Confession, for example.

Don't you realize that Muslims CAN and DO rule by their own laws in foreign countries? WHat do you say when they start enacting punishments that are contrary to what "our" laws say are reasonable?

Once they're here....I think it'll be like the Ex Post Facto provision....but, once they live here, they aren't under their previous gov't anymore, and religious rules, they don't change all that much...ever...it's the real rules that change all the time.
>>Besides, they probably won't be written under religious rules...and even so...our laws would prohibit that, on OUR soil, even with the 1st amendment in place. Just like our laws kick in once we step foot on our embassies land in other countries...except China. :grin:

But the problem is that there is an increase in the Muslim community for following their own religious laws within a nation that does not recognise their laws. As I was saying about how 40% of Muslims in Ireland would like to live separately under Sharia Law in Ireland, there was also a percentage that wished to replace Irish law with Sharia Law entirely.The problem isn't free speech or freedom of religion, but freedom FROM religion. There are religious folk from all denominations that not only insist that their religion's laws are perfect, but are insisting on enacting them as state laws. For more than 50 years Christians have been trying to turn America into a Christian nation, something that is very backwards for a country that has so many different religions in it. Now the Christian fundamentalists are going ape-shit because they think Muslims are gonna do the same thing.

Your(and Rad's) views and comments are very typical of the majority of Americans who have this idealized view yet miss the reality of the world outside the walls of the US. That's why the rest of the world has such a poor opinion of Americans. It's not my intention to diss either of you. It's just a reality.

But that goes both ways, freedom of [insert here]. Speech:You have the right to say what you want, but you can't say certain things that might cause danger/must accept John Doe saying what he wants. Press:You can write what you want, but you have to accept that John down the street can write that you're a piece of trash, however untrue. Religion:You can practice whatever you want, but you have to live with John practicing something different.sdp:Although we may be "typical", it seems to me that you're the under-educated one, thinking that most Muslim people hate America, are with the Taliban or Al Queida, are suicide bombers, or extremists. The rest of the world has a bad opinion about the majority of Americans, because the one that portrays Americans, for the last 8 years was a baboon with a speech impediment, who started a war to protect his biggest money maker, who openly demoralized and mocked other nations, lied to his people countless times, and instituted something that allowed complete gov't control, when the country stands for ideals that directly contradict that.

I never said "most", "all" are this or that.... Please don't put words in my mouth. You tend to do that.I'm not talking about "just" Muslims opinions. And GWB only made things much worse.

Quote:The irony is that it's already a holy war, waged by the Muslims. How quickly folks forget what happend in France just a few years back. It was eventually uncovered that it was fueled by the Imams sent to France to proselytize young, impressionable folks to jihad. Look at the laws that are being passed in Europe concerning Muslims and Sharia law, too. The call to action for us is to do what is necessary to prevent that war from being carried to us in the same way it already has been in Europe. Closing the borders to Muslim immigration would be a start. Someday, when those "nut jobs" are in the majority, a Muslim will hold a sword to your throat...maybe then you'll finally get the message. You know... it's that kind of talk that starts raging wars that do NOTHING to hurt the selfish prejudice men who start them but is in all actuality a free pass to BLOODSHED of the innocent.BULLLLLLLL CRAAAAPPPPPPPP

George Bush did not give the world a bad view of America, its been there for quite a while. The stereotypical view of Americans has changed though. No longer do we think of Americans as lard-filled idiot tourists, Americans are know seen as uneducated, money-hungry, evangelical, racist, homophobic, flag-waving bigots with a fundamentalism on par with Al-Qaeda. Obviously this is not what Americans are, there is no one way of describing every American, but this is the image of America that the rest of the world is seeing these days. Its horrible because I know so many Americans, many on this site, who are absolutely nothing like this. But sadly I also know a small number who are and they tend to be the loudest and they are ruining your reputation internationally.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the world has a view of America(ns) that "Americans" don't see, don't want to see and/or don't understand. It has nothing to do with your ideals. That is all fine.

I think the problem is that Americans in general have an "I don't give a shit about anyone else except #1" attitude. They don't know and/or don't care about anyone else. America has been and is a world power. Given it's status, it's influence and meddling in others affairs sours the opinion of others.

Originally Posted By: RadRevenge might even be in order, but revenge isn't exactly an American value.America reminds me of a friend of mine who will punch someone on the shoulder out of nowhere and when they punch back, he feels that he must seek revenge. He honestly believes that when the person punches back that he is the victim!