Sometimes kids say it best...

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Thor as you've been told numerous times, if gay marriage is passed, Eddie won't have any more rights that you. You'll have the right to marry how you like just as he would.

Originally Posted By: OldFolksThor as you've been told numerous times, if gay marriage is past Eddie won't have any more rights that you. You'll have the right to marry how you like just as he would. It's not that simple...and I'm done trying to explain why. It's also more than just marriage at stake, as should be clear by reading this entire thread.

Yeah I know your protected little world is caving in....The fuckin' fagots are trying to take precious innocent little children and fill the pure minds with ideas that homosexuals are actual human beings and that just cause they have sex with someone of the same gender that doesn't automatically make them human garbage.How dare they... They're fuckin' evil incarnate.

Originally Posted By: OldFolksYeah I know your protected little world is caving in....The fuckin' fagots are trying to take precious innocent little children and fill the pure minds with ideas that homosexuals are actual human beings and that just cause they have sex with someone of the same gender they that doesn't automatically make them human garbage.How dare they... They're fuckin' evil incarnate. Typical liberal emotional reaction to inarguable facts that are inconvenient to their way of thinking.

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Eddie has the same rights as you or I do, right now.

And again I do not. I do not have the right to marry the person I love. And allow same-sex marriage would not give me more rights as, if you wanted to, you could marry another male as well. So no, regardless of how you try and manipulate the idea, I do not have the same rights as a straight person.

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He wants more, at the expense of the rights of others, and isn't worried about dismissing the rights of others to achieve that end.

False. I do not want more rights, I want equal rights. Also by allowing me to marry the person I love will not stripe you of any rights. By allowing same-sex marriage will not force you to change your views. As I have said before, I can careless what your views are as I should not have to live my life by your views nor should your views stop me from achieving equality in a country that I suppose to be free for all.

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He has no problems with the judge dismissing the rights of parents to decide what things their children are taught with regard to this subject. No problem at all. In his eyes, it's OK...as long as he gets to do what he wants. That's selfish, plain and simple.

That's an absolute lie and shows you did not even read my lengthy post. I straight out said I did not agree with how the judge handled the situation and stated that I feel a parent should have the right to opt out. So don't make shit up when it's right here in black and white with what I said. Only makes you look even more foolish.

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He has NO right to marry his boyfriend (a man) anymore than I would...

And why would you want to? Last I knew you were not gay.

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he has NO right to attempt to take away the rights of others in an attempt to try and make what he wants to do a right (which it is not)

Let's get one thing straight; to YOU it's not right. That's YOUR personal view, not everyones view. Why should select peoples view be more important than others, especially in the context of this discussion? Why should I have to live my life by your views and standards? What makes you more important than me?

Secondly, I am not trying to take anyone's rights away. I am not telling people how they should live their lives, or how their views should be. If anything, that's what YOU are trying to do. I am asking for equality; nothing more and nothing less.

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and he has NO right to brainwash children into believing that what he wants to do is just, normal and acceptable behavior in the eyes of all society.

Brainwash children? Thor, I love children to much to try and harm them. I want people to be happy and loved and feel accepted. I want children to be able to be free of bullying and feeling ashamed because of close minded bigots like you. If you would have taken the time to read of my post you might have a better understand of my view points.

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I do not want my kids swallowing this filth, and so I reserve MY right to reject what Eddie stands for in this thread.

I guess you don't want your children to be tolerant of others and understand the world is made up of different people of different cultures, ideas, and class. I feel bad for your children that they would have such a close minded father that would rather teach hate and intolerance than love and tolerance. I just hope your children turn out to be a better Christian than yourself.

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I hope I've made myself clear.

Oh you've made yourself clear, but not just in this thread. Your a conspiracy theorist... oh and a bigot.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Quote: He has no problems with the judge dismissing the rights of parents to decide what things their children are taught with regard to this subject. No problem at all. In his eyes, it's OK...as long as he gets to do what he wants. That's selfish, plain and simple.That’s an absolute lie and shows you did not even read my lengthy post. I straight out said I did not agree with how the judge handled the situation and stated that I feel a parent should have the right to opt out. So don't make shit up when it’s right here in black and white with what I said.  Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself I admit there are some things that are a bit extreme, but I see nothing wrong with classes on tolerance and anti-bullying. It’s a benefit for the student not just while their in school but in life as a whole. Though if I had my way, I would have the classes from 3rd grade though 8th grade instead of starting as early as your articles stated.You see nothing wrong with homosexually oriented classes under the guise of "anti-bullying"? Sounds to me like the only disagreement you have with the judge is that you want to wait until a little later in the child's life. 3 years later, to be exact. So at 8 or 9, it's OK to brainwash the kids about the homosexual lifestyle, eh? So while you may disagree with how the judge handled things, you DO agree with his point of view. Make no mistake Eddie, I have no doubts you would take away the rights of parents to opt out if you thought you could get away with it. You want ALL the kids brainwashed, don't you. Is this not true? Quote:Oh you've made yourself clear, but not just in this thread. Your a conspiracy theorist... oh and a bigot. Taking away the rights of others in favor of your own? You, sir, are the bigot.

Quote: You see nothing wrong with homosexually oriented classes under the guise of "anti-bullying"?There is no disguise about it. I think there needs to be classes, not just homosexually oriented (which again I stated in my previous post) to teach kids tolerance of anything different, including but not limited to race, gender, and sexual orientation. Apparently you were never then victim of bullying or you would have a better understanding on why this is needed.  Quote: Sounds to me like the only disagreement you have with the judge is that you want to wait until a little later in the child's life. 3 years later, to be exact. So at 8 or 9, it's OK to brainwash the kids about the homosexual lifestyle, eh?Yes I think teaching tolerance and anti-bullying would be better at an age where the student would be able to understand the topic and form their own opinion and idea of the topic.Again there is no brainwashing going on when teaching intolerance. Its amazes me how you equate teaching tolerance with brainwashing; it’s ludicrous. You are a warped individual to have this insane for of thinking and reasoning skills.  Quote: So while you may disagree with how the judge handled things, you DO agree with his point of view.In a small sense yes, but he went to extremes. I also still feel a parent has the right to opt their child out of such lessons… but it does make me wonder why a parent would want to opt their child out of classes that deal with tolerance and anti-bullying.  Quote: Make no mistake Eddie, I have no doubts you would take away the rights of parents to opt out if you thought you could get away with it. You want ALL the kids brainwashed, don't you. Is this not true?No, Thor this is not true and how dare you make such a statement. You don’t know much about me to even assume for a second that I would harm a child. You Thor, sicken me to even suggest such a notion. I’m fine if you don’t accept me because I am gay, but how dare you suggest my intentions are to hurt children.

Quote:Typical liberal emotional reaction to inarguable facts that are inconvenient to their way of thinking I know you ignored my earlier post about liberalism, but really, considering you are a product of liberalism in a liberal state, built on liberal tenants, you might want to stop throwing the word "liberal" around as though it was an insult.As for the rest, save your breath, or don't, it's your prerogative.No matter what you say or how you say it (or repeat it adnausium), you and your kind, me and my kind, Eddie and his kind, do not own the words nor concepts of family or marriage. I'm sorry but your arguments are weak. If the words and concepts of family and marriage are so precious to you, why do you not vehemently object the their usages in reference to inanimate objects? A marriage of flavors, a family of chemicals, etc. Why do these inappropriate usages not offend your delicate sensibilities? Are my son and I no longer a family unit because his mother is no longer in my life? Are he and his mother no longer a family unit because I'm no longer in her life?Of is it just the gay thing? Yeah, I think it's the gay thing.

Quote:Eddie has the same rights as you or I do, right now. I laughed SO FUCKING HARD when i read that sentance. You need to get your fucking head checked SERIOUSLY.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

I'm fine if you don't accept me because I am gay, but how dare you suggest my intentions are to hurt children.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

It's a benefit for the student not just while their in school but in life as a whole. Though if I had my way, I would have the classes from 3rd grade though 8th grade instead of starting as early as your articles stated.

I never said it was your inention, but it will most certainly be the result of the Homo Agenda if it continues to move forward...and I have yet to hear of any concern from you, or any other gay, to the point of questioning those doing the actual pushing of the Agenda on campuses around the nation. Are you all experts in child psychology to know, or do you really care as you say you do? Until you do question the Homo Agenda and its methods, I will lump you in with them...I've been waiting to hear something from you along those lines for long enough now (over two years). And while it may not be your intention, it most certainly is NOT something you're concerned about...otherwise you would already have questioned the Homo Agenda and its tactics for yourself. To my knowledge, you have not.

As far as acceptance is concerned, I have already stated, MANY TIMES, that I accept you as a full person, deserving of all the rights and priveledges this country has to offer...which does NOT include "marrying" another man. I do grow tired of your suggesting otherwise, though.

...the reality of it.

Quote: never said it was your inention  Quote: You want ALL the kids brainwashed, don't you.Hmm sure sounds like it to me...I also love how you changed "Gay Agenda" to "Homo Agenda" shows your true class.  Quote: and I have yet to hear of any concern from you, or any other gay, to the point of questioning those doing the actual pushing of the Agenda on campuses around the nation.And I tire of telling you there is no Gay Agenda, or how you ignorantly now call it "Homo Agenda". I am more personally worried about how people like you are affecting the future of children than teaching children TOLERANCE and ANTI-BULLYING. I think teaching children to hate is more concerning.  Quote:Are you all experts in child psychology to know, or do you really care as you say you do? Are you an expert in child psychology? I didn't think so, but I was in school to be a therapist so I have a feeling I took more classes on child psychology than you have. But even with that said, no of course I am not an expert, but I do have something called common sense and teaching children to be tolerant of other who are different is not damaging.  Quote:Until you do question the Homo Agenda and its methods, I will lump you in with them.. And until you question these crazy conspiracy nut jobs, I will lump you with them...And I have no need to question the "Homo Agenda" because there is no such thing. It does not exist except in your whacked out head, and those like you. What we are seeking is equality under the law that is supposed to be there to protect us and treat us equally, which as it stands right now in the majority of states it does not.  Quote: And while it may not be your intention, it most certainly is NOT something you're concerned about...It is something I am very much concerned about. I care very much about children and the era they live in today. I know what its like to be a victim of bullying and hate slurs. Most of my childhood life I had to live through it, and even has an adult its something I have to live through. So if I can be of any help to ease that pain for children by teaching them tolerance and what it’s like to be bullied, than I will be there. Ignoring it exists does nothing.  Quote: As far as acceptance is concerned, I have already stated, MANY TIMES, that I accept you as a full person, deserving of all the rights and priveledges this country has to offer...which does NOT include "marrying" another man. I do grow tired of your suggesting otherwise, though. And who are you to tell me I have no right to marry the person I love? What gives you the authority? Because you are a straight Christian man? Why should that affect me? Why does your "status" mean more than my "status"? If we are going to live in a country that was built on and prides itself for "all men treated equal", than we need to live up to that statement.And if you truly accepted me as a full person, than you should have enough respect for me to live my life, love who I love, and marry who I marry instead of butting in and telling me I have to live my life by your expectations and terms. So no Thor, lets me honest here… you do not accepted GLBT people fully.At least I can be honest Thor, and say that as a person I cannot accept you, because I cannot accept or respect a person that agrees and pushes for discrimination.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Quote: never said it was your inention  Quote: You want ALL the kids brainwashed, don't you.Hmm sure sounds like it to me...When taken out of context and about two somewhat different subjects, of course it does. Quote:I also love how you changed "Gay Agenda" to "Homo Agenda" shows your true class.Perhaps you could explain to me and everyone else what difference it makes...how using the word Homo vs the word Gay, just because it's easier for me to type, makes a difference as to everyone's understanding of what is being discussed? Quote:And I tire of telling you there is no Gay Agenda...Burying your head in the sand over what's going on is not going to change the fact that it is...nor will it absolve you of your actions (or lacktherof) concerning it. Did you watch the video clip I posted above? Quote:I think teaching children to hate is more concerning.Liberals (and gays) are historically very intollerant of anybody who doesn't agree with their point of view. Just look at the liberal response to my opinion here. Is that what you're going to teach the kids? That nobody has the right to a different opinion, and those that do should be despised (see the end of your post concerning this)? Nice. Oh, you're very tolerant...as long as everybody agrees with you. Quote: Quote:Are you all experts in child psychology to know, or do you really care as you say you do? Are you an expert in child psychology? I didn't think so, but I was in school to be a therapist so I have a feeling I took more classes on child psychology than you have.Learn not to go with your feelings then. Though I'm no expert, I took many psychology classes geared towards children, including the psychology surrounding how they learn. But let's get back to the issue. The gays are the ones proposing a change to the traditional ways of our society, worldwide ultimately...the responsibility to insure no damage is done is upon them, including you. Quote:And I have no need to question the "Homo Agenda" because there is no such thing. How very convenient for you...you deny its existance so you can absolve yourself of any responsibility for the fallout. Again, nice. Quote:I care very much about children and the era they live in today.So you "very much care"...but apparently not enough to pull your head out of the sand and question the actions of your fellow gays as to what they're doing and how they're going about it. Seems you care more about having things the way you want more than anything else, including what's best for the children.You know, it's only a matter of time before somebody does a study with stats that show how kids raised in a homo environment have a higher rate of depression, suicide, and an inability to adjust well to society. I saw it first-hand as a high school teacher, years ago. When I can find such a study, I'm going to spoon-feed you your crow, whether you choose to swallow it or not.You care about the children. Right. :rolleyes: Quote:At least I can be honest Thor, and say that as a person I cannot accept you, because I cannot accept or respect a person that agrees and pushes for discrimination. And in saying so, you are saying it is OK to discriminate against me, basically because I have a differing opinion from yours. You are both a hypicrit and a bigot...icing on the cake, at this point.

Quote: And in saying so, you are saying it is OK to discriminate against me, basically because I have a differing opinion from yours. You are both a hypicrit and a bigot...icing on the cake, at this point. LOL.. I have not discriminated against you, nor have I told you, you are not allowed your opinion. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, it’s when their opinion affects other people’s lives that I have issue with. So you can take your icing and shove it...  Quote: When taken out of context and about two somewhat different subjects, of course it does.It was not taken out of context, so don't try and back track now.  Quote:Perhaps you could explain to me and everyone else what difference it makes...how using the word Homo vs the word Gay, just because it's easier for me to type, makes a difference as to everyone's understanding of what is being discussed? First off typing the word gay is a lot easier than homo… at least for me, but that’s not here nor there. Secondly, the reason I find it funny because for over a year now you never had an issue with typing "Gay Agenda", but all of a sudden its become to hard for you to type "Gay" and easier to type "Homo". It has no real relevance to the topic, I just found it funny and a bit curious.  Quote: Burying your head in the sand over what's going on is not going to change the fact that it is...Nor is lying and creating conspiracy theories to scare the public to sway to your position. I find it pathetic.And no I did not watch the video clip because I'm at work, but I have no doubt it’s full of crap and incorrect information like 95% of the other video clips you post. If I chose to be annoyed, I'll watch it later when at home.  Quote:Liberals (and gays) are historically very intollerant of anybody who doesn't agree with their point of view. Kinda like conservatives.... and independents... and every other human being on this planet, and yes that includes you too, Thor. So singling out only liberals only proves further that you cannot look outside your own little box.  Quote:Is that what you're going to teach the kids? That nobody has the right to a different opinion, and those that do should be despised I absolutely never said that and if you are implying I have I will call you an absolute liar. I even went as far as to say the classes should be taught to children who are a bit older so 1) they can understand the topic at hand, and 2) so they can form their own opinion.  Quote:Oh, you're very tolerant...as long as everybody agrees with you. Oh I'm sorry Thor.. you must have been looking in the mirror when you made that comment. Its okay, I can imagine with all the conspiracy theories that were brainwashed into your head its hard to focus.  Quote:The gays are the ones proposing a change to the traditional ways of our society, worldwide ultimately...the responsibility to insure no damage is done is upon them, including you. And you think Marriage would be the first and only "tradition" that has been changed in order for society to progress? If you think so, you need to take some history classes. Traditions are constantly changing and evolving, and usually for the better of society. But it still comes down to why should your traditions affect other people’s lives? Just because it’s your tradition doesn't mean other should have to abide by it. This world is made up of more people than you of different cultures, beliefs, and religions, so why should one control all? Especially in a country that’s supposed to be free.  Quote:How very convenient for you...you deny its existance so you can absolve yourself of any responsibility for the fallout. Again, nice. Its not convenience, it’s the truth. The only "Agenda" is Equality. Why don't you turn off the nuts feeding you these lies and join the real world.  Quote: So you "very much care"...but apparently not enough ROFL.. nice way to try and play on my words and turn it into complete nonsense, but you are good at trying to manipulate peoples words. I care more for children than obviously you do if you cannot see the benefits and needs behind teaching children tolerance and anti-bullying. Again, I'm guessing you've never been a victim of either, so you would have no idea what its like. With everything you have shown I can see you being the bully.  Quote:You know, it's only a matter of time before somebody does a study with stats that show how kids raised in a homo environment have a higher rate of depression, suicide, and an inability to adjust well to society. Studies have already been done and sorry to tell you what you speculate is completely wrong. I know I posted a study months ago as well as a few other members. Studies have shown children raised in same-sex parent homes turn out just as well adjusted as those from different-sex parent homes. They have shown, however, that children with same-sex parents are often more tolerant... how horrible right!?! Those damn Homo's must have brainwashed those children into believing that being different is okay! How dare they!!.... Is it my turn to roll my eyes now?  Quote:When I can find such a study, I'm going to spoon-feed you your crow Mmm I'm more of a chicken or turkey person truthfully. Keep your crow, I have a feeling you are going to need it for yourself.  Quote:You care about the children. Right. Yup I do... I wish you did.. what's ever more sad is you are a parent. I feel for you children.

Originally Posted By: thor ...the reality of it. the video, much like your argument, won't play through.

Originally Posted By: unsupervised Originally Posted By: thor ...the reality of it. the video, much like your argument, won't play through. Conclusion reached before all available evidence in. Evidence is irrelevant to your opinion, so, won't waste my time further. You sure you just didn't want to watch the whole thing?

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfStudies have already been done and sorry to tell you what you speculate is completely wrong.No studies have been completed since the phenomenon has not been going on long enough to draw any meaningful conclusions, except by those who are more interested in their own agenda than they are in the truth...which is why I'm still waiting. You, on the other hand, ignore even common sense when it allows you to draw the conclusions you wish to. Your opinion on the subject is, therefor, meaningless. Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfI feel for you children. No you don't. Now you can add liar to the list.

Quote: No studies have been completed since the phenomenon has not been going on long enough to draw any meaningful conclusions, except by those who are more interested in their own agenda than they are in the truth...which is why I'm still waiting. You, on the other hand, ignore even common sense when it allows you to draw the conclusions you wish to. Your opinion on the subject is, therefor, meaningless.This "Phenomenon" has been going on longer than you think. There are adults who were raised by same-sex parents. One such documentary I watched showed a lesbian couple, who are both in the 60's who now have grandchildren. Did you really think this is some new "fade" or something? This as been going on for generations now, its just do to the GLBT movement that its coming more into the public eye. This has nothing to do with my opinion, this has to do with studies that have already been done.  Quote:No you don't. Now you can add liar to the list. You're a liar? Absolutely. But I am being honest when I say I feel for your children, I could not imagine having a father that's so close minded and closed off.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself

This has nothing to do with my opinion, this has to do with studies that have already been done.

Oh baloney. It has everything to do with your opinion, and nothing else!

OK...OK...one last try. THEY HAVE NOT BEEN STUDYING THIS FOR LONG ENOUGH TO DRAW ANY MEANINGFUL CONCLUSIONS! Nowhere did I say it hadn't been going on only recently. But I WILL add that the occurances have, until recently, been too small in numbers to draw any meaningful conclusions anyway, even if they had started studying this long ago. The sad part is that kids are going to have to suffer depression, gender confusion, increased risk of drug use and suicide and other maladies in order to prove to folks like you what is obvious and a matter of common sense. To you, they are fodder for your cause. Not that the facts will ever change your opinion...but it will certainly force the issue in a legal manner...ultimately resulting in the outlawing of Homo-parenting.

Ultimately, you will still reject what is obvious, just as you do today. But you can bet I'll show the stats and facts to you anyway. :smile:

lol, you're one to speak of evidence