Some things should be done.

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For one, I think most if not all censoring should be gotten rid of.Whether you say Poop, Crap, Guano, Feces, Dukie you're still talking about Shit. And there's a lot worse words out there like Kumquat that's not censored.Hell especially should never be censored. For one, even little kids hear about it in church if you pretend they never hear about these bad words in school, even Disney says hell in a few of their kids movies.And you can't argue about the context the words being used in because you can say that about anything. Being rude is being rude regardless of what words you use. Saying you're a poo face you're going to heck and your parents smell like a donkey is going to be insulting even without your precious censor words.Then there's the radio where songs pick and choose what to Censor.I've never once heard fuck on the radio. But I've heard, Ass, Bitch, Shit, Damn. Why censor one but not the rest? But then again why censor any, why not just teach your kids to be polite. Instead of saying you can say frick but not fuck and heck but not hell, just don't have them say anything like that or let them say the damn word instead of a bastardized version of it that technically defeats the purpose. Another issue that needs to be dealt with is Teenaged sex. Being a teenager I can tell you. If I want to fuck your daughter, and she wants it, It will happen. Sorry but there's not a damn thing you can do about it. There never was and there never will be.So instead of trying prevent teenaged sex, how about just getting your kids multiple forms of birth control explain it's a bad idea and why it's a bad idea, what it can lead too such as STD's or pregnancy or emotional issues. And hope for the best and rest easy that if your kids are screwing without you knowing that they're protected.I mean personally, If I had a daughter, I'd much rather buy her some B.C and some condoms than have to give her extra support as well as support her child and possibly find a way to pay hospital bills because she caught something because she snuck off and had unprotected sex. (which some girls have tried to do with me but I refused.)Just seems like silly things that should be dealt with in a more logical manner.Even if you were to keep sensory, there's not reason for Hell to be a censored word. There's no reason to Bleep out one curse word in a song if you're going to keep the other 9000.

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this read was a great way to start my morning because it was so funny!!!!

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If I want to fuck your daughter, and she wants it, It will happen. Sorry but there's not a damn thing you can do about it. There never was and there never will be.

Say that so any teenage girls dad and you'll find yourself burried alive 6 feet under.

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But, I can tell you this, when you HAVE a teen age daughter, you WILL feel differently!

A-men to that, Rad!!!

I have sons, my balls never made a female, so I feel lucky.I do however have 2 teenage step daughters.It took a while to kick in, it was not an instant thing that I wanted to kill boys that took them out. THe oldest (18 this month) has a BF she has been with for about 2 years now. Hes a good kid, very polite, offers to help me with working on the house and shit when he comes over, very polite, and to the best of anyones knowledge, treats her very good. He is just god damned likable in every way.I still think about hitting him in the head with a shovel because i know I KNOW, he is slipping his dick inside her!Realistically, I know I can not do that, and I know she is going to be fucked, by someone, may as well be a guy that treats her good and is decent and works his ass off and all of that. Shes my step daughter, not my blood daughter, I can not have the safe sex talk with her.The entire situation sends me batshit.THe really odd thing is that I have 3 sons, the youngest is 6, the other two are 19 and nearly 17, and I nearly never worry about them having sex. Iv bought them rubbers and told them to use them. They already know the first one that makes me grandpa Chance, will also make me the father of a dead child.the one thats 16 is dating a girl thats 18, and graduated last year, She has been told as well. Make mea grandpa and your fucking dead, both of you.

I highly doubt I'll feel any different for a very simple basic reason.I'm not saying it'll be easy to just give your daughter B.C and just simply walk away. And I'm sure I'll still be over protective and think about killing any guy I see with her. But still, being a teenaged male I can vouch for your daughters :P, they're going to fuck if they want to and you're not stopping them.I'd rather not have my kid say, so hey guess what U guiz I R preggerz do U still love me?That and seeing as I'm a slut myself with the luck of having good sense, if I have a daughter she'll probably have my slutty genes(Runs in the family, parents and grandparents were swingers.) But with the girl I'm most likely to knock up atm's bad judgement to say, this is a bad idea, but oh well.

Originally Posted By: TheFallenLight...if I have a daughter she'll probably have my slutty genes(Runs in the family, parents and grandparents were swingers.)The fact of the matter, plus the fact that you know about it, strongly suggests it's the way you were raised (rather than any genetic reasons) that resulted in you being a cough "slut". Behavior is exactly what kids learn from their parents...it's NOT genetic. This ALSO suggests that, if you raise your kids right, they're most likely going to stop themselves from having sex (there are always a few who think they know everything and do as they want). Though, I admit, it's not very easy to "raise kids right" in this day and age, with all the media messages suggesting to guys that it makes them a man, and to girls that everyone else is "doing it". (Girls always think they have to do what they believe everyone else is doing...whether everyone else is really doing it or not. So if they see everyone doing it on TV, they make it come true that everyone is doing it in real life...hence the effect of TV being especially strong on girls.)I intend to do my best to raise my daughter right, and any guy who dates her is going to get a lecture from me to the tune of being "held responsible" for his actions. It's going to be a one-way conversation, with shotgun in hand...and if he says anything but "yes sir" I'll throw his ass in the street.My daughter will live by my rules as long as she's in the house. Once she's an adult and out on her own, you have to let them make their own decisions and hope you raised them to be both smart and responsible.

censorship is just another way of having someone else be a parent to your child as well as a parent to you.here's a funny one I've heard a bunch of times on TV... they decide not to censor "fuck" but they decide "motherfucker" is too nasty so you get a BLEEPfucker silly!

Well what the fuck ya know? 2 things we agree on!While some shit is passable in genes (being more inclined to become an alcoholic, shit like that) whoring around is not a genetic fucking disorder.Nature vs nurture.I find myself having to take thors side on this one.As a side note, I HOPE that the suggestion its genetic was a joke and not a serious statement.

I have to admit that I'm glad I have a son. I'm a bit of an over protective poppabear by nature. I'd hate to put a daughter through a life with me as the dad!I was also quite a "slut" so, basically, I'd spend my life protecting my daughter from guys like me... and coincidentally cleaning my 12g every single time she has a date

The advantage of people like you and me having a daughter is the same as it is for us to have sons.We already know.We know the shit they say and try and what it all really means.Its easier to stop them from getting your daughter when ya know what they are thinking.Same for sons, its easier to stop them from blowing themselves up or being arrested because we already did it! we already thought it and tried it years before they were born!When my kids headed out with a skateboard and a rope I stopped them, I knew they fuckers were going to be up on the roof, riding it off and using the rope to pull it back up, I already did it! I already busted my fucking head doing hte same shit as a kid!When they were filling sandwitch bags with hairspray, when they were taking apart one of my electric lighters and had a pile of pvs pipe and glue, I knew it was a potato gun with a electric trigger, When they would go to sleep at a friends house I knew to check inside the pillow case for fire crackers and bottle rockets. I already did all the stupid shit, I am also a master at hiding shit, they do not like to get me going and do a search of the bedroom, there is no place they can hide shit that I will not look because I invented those fucking hiding spaces!I think i make a much better father than someone who attended church all the time and did as he was told by mom and dad because I know what they are capable of, and how to employ counter tactics, and where to look to find the shit and what happens when you tie a rope around your waist to jump off high places and not hit the ground.I already made those mistakes, already suffered the reality of it all.A daughter though would indeed kill me, or Id kill the boys that came sniffing around, go back to prison, and it would be a free for all in my absense.

Having a daughter who has just got a boyfriend for the first time, I am in the actual position of having to handle the situation. While tempted to use the thor/Chance shotgun method, at least verbally, it strikes me that any young man given a lecture by a crazed father with a shotgun is going to give henceforth both the father and daughter a wide berth - and the wife and I would like the house back at some time in the future, please. How can I marry off my daughters if I scare off their suitors?I would be left with the ones who are not easily scared off, perhaps because they are quicker on the draw; and they may not be my ideal choice of son-in-law.thor, on another note, I have to disagree that behaviour is exactly what is learnt from parents. If it were, my daughters would have similar behaviour in all respects, as they were brought up similarly. They do not. When people do bad things, blaming their parents is unfair, and when they do good things, praising their parents is equally unfair.It seems to me that we start with a genetic personality; it is modified by our experiences; but we also have to take some responsibility also for our own behaviour.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleI have to disagree that behaviour is exactly what is learnt from parents. If it were, my daughters would have similar behaviour in all respects, as they were brought up similarly. They do not.I think this is right on. It puts me in mind of my bitch step-mother. She came from a family of 14 or 15 siblings, 13 made it to adulthood. All brought up in the same household, same mother and father, with the same values and sensibilities and they all were as different as night and day. One became a nun another a drugged up hooker, who got beat to death, another was a slut while yet another was a prudish type. One of the brothers was homeless, drifting from place to place, nobody usually knowing where he was, while another was a CEO.From my perspective the similarities they shared were more ethereal and not something so easy to put your finger own. For instance they might all find the same stupid thing funny or approach a problem in the same manner. I would think the latter would lead to the same decision making process and thus similar lives but that was not in any way the case.

Originally Posted By: IneligibleHaving a daughter who has just got a boyfriend for the first time, I am in the actual position of having to handle the situation. While tempted to use the thor/Chance shotgun method, at least verbally, it strikes me that any young man given a lecture by a crazed father with a shotgun is going to give henceforth both the father and daughter a wide berth - and the wife and I would like the house back at some time in the future, please. How can I marry off my daughters if I scare off their suitors?Some suitors should be scared off...if you have any concern for your daughter's future. That, and the ones most likely to be scared off are the ones who have ill intentions in the first place. The chances are greater that the one who does stick around is going to have honorable intentions in there somewhere, along with the intestinal fortitude I'd like the father of my grandchildren to have. That's my theory, anyway. If it takes a few extra years to get my daughter married off, so be it. Quote:thor, on another note, I have to disagree that behaviour is exactly what is learnt from parents. If it were, my daughters would have similar behaviour in all respects, as they were brought up similarly.Not exactly, I'm sure. And certainly not in the same order. Birth order can have a huge effect on how kids mature. But the behaviors parents expose their kids to defines their future behaviors to the largest degree. Ask any child psychologist. Personality is mostly genetic...social behavior is ALL learned from the parents/environment (though can be influenced, obviously, by personality). There is an old saying...the apple never falls far from the tree. Quote:It seems to me that we start with a genetic personality; it is modified by our experiences; but we also have to take some responsibility also for our own behaviour. Being accountable for ones own actions is different than being responsible for influencing how a child ultimately behaves. If we expose our children to an emotionally scarring situation, who is responsible for the child's emotional state afterwards...the child, or the parent?

Lets clear one thing up.I do not even own a shotgun.While I am not opposed to guns (love them dearly!), I do not think they are proper for intimidation purposes.I am fast, fast enough to hit you two times with my left hand while your still looking at the right being pulled back to throw a punch, and when needed a gun serves a purpose.For intimidation though, I prefer more primal fears.I like knives. I have a large collection and I am very good with them. given the choice, Id much rather be shot than stabbed, and I have been both. The thought of being cut brings an instant and involuntary reaction in peoples minds. With never having had it happen to you you can still feel the cold steel against your skin and imagine the sensation of the blade slicing through skin and nerves and arteries.If I am going to threaten someone, its with a knife, not a gun.With that being said, Never bring a knife to a gun fight!

Originally Posted By: OldFolksFrom my perspective the similarities they shared were more ethereal and not something so easy to put your finger own. For instance they might all find the same stupid thing funny or approach a problem in the same manner. I would think the latter would lead to the same decision making process and thus similar lives but that was not in any way the case. Some of the other things they shared were probably a common sense of right and wrong. But I should say here that when the family becomes large, the dynamic completely changes. Instead of parents as role-models, the childrens older siblings begin to fill that role. So, just as a story that gets passed from generation to generation takes its own path, so do children who learn from their parents filtered through an older sibling. It can really be a mess, and very difficult to figure out. Smaller families are much more clear, though still not 100% predictable of course.

For the most part, you and I agree on this subject, however, you said " That's my theory, anyway. If it takes a few extra years to get my daughter married off, so be it."is it a goal to marry off your daughter?I think thats fucked up.It should be a goal for her to be happy, fulfilled and stable, if it involves marriage or not. Maybe its just the way you worded it?Its sounds pretty fucking sick, follows right along the FLDS way of thinking.

Originally Posted By: thorInstead of parents as role-models, the childrens older siblings begin to fill that role. So, just as a story that gets passed from generation to generation takes its own path, so do children who learn from their parents filtered through an older sibling.What your saying would make sense to me and I would agree with and do agree with to a large extent. However it doesn't jive with what I've seen. For instance, in my step-mothers family it was the oldest daughter that become a nun and the youngest daughter that became the hooker who got beat to death. That is at least what I would expect from your theory and I think what common sense would expect. But with the boy's it was the oldest boy, and oldest of all the siblings, that became the vagabond, drifter and petty criminal. It was, I think, second to the youngest that became the CEO and upstanding member of New Mexico society.I see the same counterintuitive outcomes in my mother-in-laws family. She comes from a family of eight. Of the two oldest one was going to be a nun and the other a party girl of the two youngest one is productive family man and the other had to leave town and forever disappear for informing on his drug/underworld connections when the heat got turned on him.Even in my mom's family of four siblings the same things can be seen but not to the extremes of the previous examples.I get what your saying and it would be my first inclination to believe it. I've just never seen it work that way in real life, child psychology be damned.

I have 3 brothers.Me and the oldest are alot alike (I am number 3)musical tastes and behaviors and what not.the second is like a different family all together.THe fourth and the second have zero self confidence in abilities for anything but fighting. None of us are even close in thoughts, aside form me and he oldest, separated by 10 years.Fuck, no time for this, got to take my son to school or he is gonna be late.I will try to return in a bit though, alot of shit to say about this, if I can get the words right in my head.

Originally Posted By: thorSome of the other things they shared were probably a common sense of right and wrong.One being a nun and one a hooker one a petty thief and one a successful business and family man. I have my doubts about that.

Originally Posted By: GrvtykllrFor the most part, you and I agree on this subject, however, you said " That's my theory, anyway. If it takes a few extra years to get my daughter married off, so be it."is it a goal to marry off your daughter?I think thats fucked up.It should be a goal for her to be happy, fulfilled and stable, if it involves marriage or not. Maybe its just the way you worded it?Its sounds pretty fucking sick, follows right along the FLDS way of thinking. I happen to believe that getting married will be a big part of her happiness...but I was merely responding to Pete's post where he is the one who mentions "marrying off" his daughters to get them out of the house. I really have no intentions of pushing her into marriage if she doesn't want it. However, I most certainly do have intentions that she learn to support herself and get out on her own at some point...marriage or otherwise. Part of being an adult means being able to support yourself, in my book.