Martial arts or plain fist fighting?

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I dont think bruce lee would be the great fighter he was without martial arts so it must help

I deliberately said if you only take one martial art. Mixed martial arts are helpful. I've fought pussies & I've fought guys who were supposed to be bad. LOL a 17 year old, 6'2" kid wouldnt stand a chance. I dont care what martial art or arts you're takin. You dont have the experience.

There are great street fighters and there are great martial artists. If you are dedicated to either side then you will learn by observation and trial.There has always been an argument between strength and speed. If you were to put the fastest figter up against the strongest fighter and both having equal experience, who would win? The answer is indefinite. The best thing is to have a combination of both strength and speed.

OH my god I cant believe what I just heard. Height dont mean shit. In fact, I find it extremely easy to get my hands on a tall, skinny person. All that high-kickin wont mean shit when I have you pinned to the ground.

Trust me buddy, you WOULDNT stand a chance. I can tell from the what you have said that you have a BIG false sense of security, and youve NEVER been in a real fight before. Try to "high kick" me and see what happens. You'll find yourself flat on your back.

The only real "martial arts" training that I have is boxing and wrestling & I dont really conisder those a "martial art" My training is my experience. I've been in close to 50 fights from the 15 to 19. I used to get in a fight almost every day in school when I was in grade school. My senior year we had a fight every weekend for the fun of it. You haveta realize boy, down south we dont play. You take an experienced southerner & face him off against the same experienced northerner & the south will win 9/10 times. It's just how we were raised. My dad told me to fight. Our schools will let kids fight until it gets too bad. I've seen teachers stand around and watch it. I'm tellin ya, I've been up north & live down south - the people are raised differently.

But if you really wanna get cocky, when you turn 18 holler at me. I'll tell you the bar & when I'm workin. Bring your ass down for a visit. Something tells me you wont be so confident when you're not behind a computer screen either!

Oh and by the way - I beat the crap outta a Tai Kwon Do instructor one night. That's right, the instructor! The guy that teaches everyone else. Now I'll admit he was gettin the better of me when I was standing toe-to-toe with him, but when I got ahold of him & slammed him to the ground. It was over. He couldn't fight on his back, only standing up, so I made a mess of him.

Again I'll say, unless you train in a MIXED martial art ro several different brands of martial art at the same time - YOU WILL NOT WIN in a real fight against an EXPERIENCED street fighter. Also, if you're still in your teens you dont have the proper time to become a good fighter, especially in several different brands. So be careful who you smart-off to...

let me tell ya, the only thing martial arts is good for is kicking someones but

I didnt say anything about height meaning about fightin on the ground. If I'm not badly mistaken you said you take a stand-up fighting martial art. I was comparing you to all the other one-dimensional fighters I've been around.I dont have to know you. I know you're type. You're all the same. And though I know it may have sounded like I was referring to just you - I was trying to put it in general terms. I'm actually gonna laugh at someone if he tries to "high-kick" me. When you do that, you put yourself in a very vunerable position. Why you think you dont see many "high-kicks" in the UFC? Think about it "moron"OK so now you're contradicting yourself. First you wanna say you can kick my ass. Then you wanna say ok I cant but I'm smarter? Make up your damn mind.Oh & trust me, ANYBODY that I dont know standing 6'2" weighing 190 & under 18 years old (I'm assuming those are still your stats) I would say the exact same thing to. You can bet on that bitch.Again we come back to the topic at hand with you contradicting yourself. You said someone who took martial arts could beat someone who didnt. I just proved to you that you're wrong. And again you go back to you "scholar" shit. I just made my point loud and clear - with ample time & training in several mixed martial arts, a street fighter wont stand much of a chance MOST of the time. HOWEVER dont think just becuase you take A martial art you're gonna be a badass, cause that's definately not true. Are you too dumb to realize that a man can work 2 jobs? Bouncing from 9-2 at night and the train from 10 to 6 in the day? Ever thought about that one?Now I'm tired of this shit. I'm not sayin nothing more to you becuase you're an arrogant, stupid, stubborn, aggravating, cocky lil kid. If you got somethin more to say then PM me. If not then shut the fuck up & stop litterin threads.

Form reading his posts I bet he's 150 wet!

Come on how much can you really rack up on the bench? 200lbs? 220?

is this going somewhere???? .....

Hey JR. step out of the way!

will do as long as theres a fight

Hey im new to the boards.I would have to say mixed styles help alot. I used to take martial arts, which really helped my reflex's and speed to block. Now I take boxing lessons which helps me on my footwork and punches. Well yesterday I got in a fight at school with this one redneck kid(I dont hate rednecks FYI). The kid was about 3 inches smaller then me, about a year younger than me. He was talking crap about me, so I went up to him and punched him in the face about 10 times. The thing down here most people use submissive moves (works good if you do it right). So he tries to takle me, but lands flat on his face leaving me some free hits. I blocked most of his punches but he hit me 2 good times.So in my experience kickboxing helped me more for the actual fighting but the martial arts training helped too. Btw if you choose to do MA dont go to a pussy dojo, it feels more like a elementary gym more than a Dojo... btw 17 years old, pretty skinny kid and any adult could probaly kick my ass lol!

LOL well at least you're honest and know your place. Mixed martial arts definately help WITH TIME. Take someone who has never been in a fight before in his life & put him up against a martial artist then I'd bet on the guy with fight training. However you take an experienced martial artist who only trains one dimensionally (like say karate & Kickboxing only) and put him up against an experienced street fighter - I got my odds on the the guy who got his training from actual fighting instead of in the gym.

Yes max. Just what I thought

thank you sexpot! that's exactly what i was fixinta say.

try jiu jitsu. combines wresting and judo. anyway you still have to condition no matter what.

ive never tried jui jitsue, im gonna though, seeing as im really in to martial arts

Does anyone know the martial art the US Marines use? I think Cenfath does.

He brought up a couple of interesting points.1) The south is MUCH different from the north. I come from Queens, New York. I lived there for 13 years, and when I came to South Florida I was 14. I thought I came from the "hood" in New York just to find myself seeing more fights than I'd ever seen in my life. However, I've only lost one fight, and I was jumped.2) Height doesn't mean shit. It's true. I've faced off against people much, much taller than me...6'7, 6'8..I'm 5'10, 18 years old. And the fact of the matter is, I always come out of a fight unscathed. People seriously don't believe that I'd gotten into fights sometimes because I simply don't have a mark on me.***HOW TO WIN A FIGHT***It's actually pretty simple. There's no martial-arts, high kicks or techniques to it. You are basically either moving, or attacking. Let me explain.When you are fighting against someone, you must always assume that they can beat you. Even though it's negative thinking, it keeps you on your toes. Now, the first phase of the fight is simply backing up/dodging attacks from the opponent. As long as you can last three-five minutes without getting hit (and your opponent keeps swinging) you've won.Why? Because by this point, most people will be very tired. Swinging takes a lot of energy even if done properly, and most people don't. If you're opponent doesn't look visibly tired after five minutes of swinging, you might be fighting with someone that's not just anyone. Doesn't mean you can't win, just means it won't be easy.Well, hopefully your opponent is tired. You can do one of two patterns here (or both)--counterattack and/or assault.***COUNTERATTACK***This is simple. Since you're opponent is hopefully tired, wait till he swings. It will probably be slow :P. AS SOON AS HE SWINGS, YOU SWING, and move in the same direction of the fist he threw. If he threw his right, move right, (dodging his attack) and if you swung when he swung, you'll clock him--easily. FOR THE SAKE OF YOUR WELL-BEING -- IF YOU GET HIT, STOP DOING THIS. Go back to the previous tactic of backing up/dodging hits till your opponent gets tired. Don't think you can dodge his hit and then have this guy 25-hit your ass.***ASSAULT***So this guy's looking really tired, and he's not swinging? Well, don't just stand there! Pretend you're playing Killer Instinct, and show him an Ultra Combo. The more times you hit him in succession, the less likely he'll ever mess with you again. I'm known to hit 9-10 times in rapid succession. I should note that I don't work out, have no muscles, no 6 pack or anything like that. I'm actually fat right now and trying to lose weight.***WHERE TO HIT***You can't just hit anywhere. In my previous five fights, the most prevalent area that I've always hit is the throat. Most people don't expect this, and if you can get two or three hits here (in succession) the fight is yours.Another place you can hit is the temple (just to the side of the eye), the windtunnel in your stomach (not sure what it's called, but if you hit it right they lose their air and can't fight for 1/2 minute.), the knees, the eyes, the balls.Stay away from the jaw, the skull, the legs (unless its the knees or you're 120% sure you can knock them down), etc. Also, objects are your FRIENDS. If you find a chair, use it! If you find a steel pipe, USE IT! If you find a dead dog, USE IT!!! (Gross, but effective.)***SUPER-OPPONENT (MUST READ)***Lets say this guy's really fast, doesn't get tired, and he even got a few hits on you. Now you must raise the bar, and don't focus on hitting him. Instead, focus on your own safety, and make sure he can't hit you again. The next time he swings, try the counterattack to hit him in the throat. Gauge his eyes, and quickly grab his stronger arm. Kick him in the balls, and while he's worried about that, break his arm. Continue by fucking him up like there's no tommorow (Think: assault)***MISCELLANEOUS***If by chance this guy charges at you, please know that he never won the fight. If you swing with full force, and your knuckle connects with one of the good places to hit people (throat, eyes, even jaw in this case) you will break what you touch.Think about it like this: He's charging at you, and you swing with 100% power, connect for...150? 200? 250% power? Pretty devastating. Only dumbasses charge into battle.***REAL-LIFE CONFRONTATION***Don't get me wrong. I actually don't like fighting. But sometimes you have to defend what's yours, be it pride, your Rolex watch, or your girlfriend. But if there is another way to solve a problem, I try and go for it. Fighting really doesn't solve anything, and just leaves the loser bent on revenge. He comes back for you, and it kind of cycles, on and on.This is an actual fight that happened between me, and a 21-year old 6'3" muscular black guy. To this day, my friends (and I :P) are astounded that he didn't tear me into the ground.This guy came up, and it was very little talking. Black people are notorious for getting straight into the action, and I already knew that he wanted to fight me, and now he'd seen me in public. It was night-time, so I guess he figured "why not?".Well, this guy comes swinging at me full-crazy. I just start backing up and moving out of the way, making sure to look all around (didn't want to trip over something). I don't like to go back in a straight line, but I like moving side-to-side, kind of in a circle. It continued like that for THREE MINUTES (it was a pretty long three minutes though), and he was getting REALLY pissed...but had no energy to feed off. Seeing as how this was my chance, I tried to get in close, and he swung.I ducked ALL THE WAY TO THE GROUND, and I came back up AS FAST AS POSSIBLE. He was still pulling his arm back to him, and I hit him twice in the throat. choke choke. I punched him in the windtunnel, and DOWN he went...while he was down there, I kicked him in the face more than twice. After that, I decided that he had enough torture, so I punched him with ALL MY POWER to both temples, and he was out cold.My friend congratulated me with some Pizza, but I was really nervous lol I couldn't eat. My adrenaline pumps and I start shaking after a fight.Well, that's all I have to offer. Sorry for making it so damn long, and I hope everyone benefits from my post.

Wow, well you seem pretty experienced. You also bring up some good points. Knowing where to strike is an advantage, but you also need to know how to hold your own on the ground. From what I got from your post you're more of a stand-up fighter. There's nothing wrong with that but be careful when you come across an experienced wrestler. He will be able to take you down without you gettin your licks in. But it sounds like you have enough knowledge on the subject, so I dont need to preach.

Sounds to me like you came out pretty lucky in most of your fights. The duck and dodge technique only works when the other person continues to fall for it.

My advice to anyone who wants it - try your best to stay out of fights. If you want to learn self-defense then take either a MIXED martial arts or 2 different types (like say kickboxing & judo). But if you're set on being a "badass" then experience is the fastest & best way to learn...