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Awwww shit...did he call football poop????

It's on now. Here in Texas, football is king especially in Dallas, Houston, Austin, Midland-Odessa, and Lubbock.

BTW, if the US hadn't entered WW2, y'all would be speaking German. The US supplied the British and Russians and for the month they were there the French with weapons and supplies. It was when the US entered the war that the German blitz of London was at its height and much of London had been leveled.

The problem that I have found in discussion with my History prof is that most "foreigners" have a problem with the upper echelon of American society who holds a mjority of wealth such as Enron, Haliburton, Exxon-Mobile, etc. and those who abuse things. The thing that is generally not understood is that many Americans are unhappy with thoo.

xIrish you made some interesting points but i find the accuracy of many of your stuff far off.

Firstly yeh Britain wasn't the nicest country ever, during the 1700s or whenever we very much ruled the world and how we got there was unethical by todays standards, but i pride the knowlage that Britain has been more infulencial in this world than any other country ever. If it wasnt for us you Americans wouldan't be around anyhow, lets face we are your routes.

I work in a supermarket and i would probably say i rarely see people who are truely obese, when were talking obese in the American sense were talking about rolls and rolls of fat, we only have about 10% of the 'proper fatties' in the UK. Obesety tends to be mostly in kids in the UK anyhow because all they wanna do is watch TV and eat crap.

Lets face it America is crap when it comes to war, yeh you lost more soldiers, i don't have all the statistics, but it comes down to a couple of things. British forces are the best trained in the world, our tanks are the best in the world. If we want friendly fire we call the yanks for support.

I stand by the fact that many americans are oblivious about the world around them, if Americans had been more aware of current affairs, this terrorist escopade would have never happened to the extent it did.

Again, we were hated in the 1700 coz we owned the world, America is hated now because it abuses the world.

75% of Terrorists come from America, prehaps not terrorist groups like eta and el-quida or whatever but lets look at a couple of things. America very much funded the IRA in Ireland, they fund a lot of world terrorism, all those school shootings, they are acts of terror, the washington sniper, Binners was trained by America.

America has killed more innocent lives than every country put togeather. Hiroshima was but 1 example, and no it wasn't necessary.

With this polution shit, America tried to pay other countries to take it's pollution quota and i beleive it actually crashed the talks because it was stuburn over the subject. Proportionately America is the worst polluter, your 300,000 over Chinas 2billion, you expect more pollution from bigger countries, especially a still developing one, America should be setting an example.

I didn't say Russia alone won the war, but America didn't win it for the world. Because of how America has self glorified itself to such an extent many of the true victors of the war don't get the true credit they deserve. Russia pushed Germany back to Berlin which ultimately won the war. D-Day wasn't an American thing, Canada and Britain all fort that particular battle.

I have the special addition of Saving Private Ryan and the commentry crap said it was based on a British mission.

America doesn't give a great deal of aid. For such a free country your leaders really have you eating their words. America is one of ths stingiest with aid, especially regarding the third world. We all know that the third world has its debts, many countries have either let off those debts or seriously reduced the amount that needs to be paid back, oh no, not America though, they are partly responsible for the condition of the third world in this respect.

I think the 'Problem with America' regard was a bit poor to be honest. Countries are really just pieces of dirt with a name attached to them after all. I wouldan't really admit my country had leaders if they were like Bush 'n' Co. Leading America from 1 disaster to the next.

Should i have been more specific on my answer and said we don't have a problem with American 'people'?

Oh, i missed the crime one out. Lowest in 30 years...hmm...great. Still, your crimerate is the worst in the world, but i stand by the fact its coz you promote murder by letting people walk around with guns. The washington sniper thing and the school killings wouldan't have happened if they were banned. I laugh at the fact that people think they have the right to decide who lives who dies. Wanna protect your house? Get an alarm, there probably cheaper and they arent gonna kill anyone, that 'i want to protect my family' stuff is bullshit, the reat of the world manage.

Bring facts, you can't sit here and bash our nationalism without backing jack shit up!!!

"If it wasnt for us you Americans wouldan't be around anyhow, lets face we are your routes." You talk as if we Americans aren't aware that our country formed from yours. Stop assuming all Americans are ignorant, it's not showing much on your or England's part. "Lets face it America is crap when it comes to war, yeh you lost more soldiers, i don't have all the statistics, but it comes down to a couple of things. British forces are the best trained in the world, our tanks are the best in the world. If we want friendly fire we call the yanks for support." America is crap when it comes to war? Really? Then how is that a bunch of farmers with pitchforks beat the almighty forces of the British Empire during the American Revolution? Although I won't argue that you have some superbly trained special forces (SAS all the way), you do NOT have the best tanks in the world. When the US created the M1 Abrams in the 90's, it set the international standard for tank design, leading well into the first decade of the 21st century. "I stand by the fact that many americans are oblivious about the world around them, if Americans had been more aware of current affairs, this terrorist escopade would have never happened to the extent it did." Yes, especially when they did it in secret. You're assuming that terrorists are stupid? How can we not be aware of current affairs when we're involved in most of them? I don't understand what you're trying to prove here. "75% of Terrorists come from America, prehaps not terrorist groups like eta and el-quida or whatever but lets look at a couple of things. America very much funded the IRA in Ireland, they fund a lot of world terrorism, all those school shootings, they are acts of terror, the washington sniper, Binners was trained by America." Once again, 75% of terrorists do not COME from America, nor are they American natives. It's actually a very, very small number. I actually have a list of all of the active terrorist groups in the world, would you like me to post it to prove my side of the arguement? "America has killed more innocent lives than every country put togeather. Hiroshima was but 1 example, and no it wasn't necessary." Ah, I see. You have a problem with America bombing civilians. So I guess it's okay for the RAF to do bombing runs on Berlin (Civilian buildings, not military outposts), but not for us to bomb the ENEMY in a successful attempt to end the war? And the idea that America has killed more people than any other country is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. Countries that have been thriving on war for centuries. Italy with the Romans, Germany with the Barbarians and Nazis, and how can you possibly forget Russia or China's LONG history of bloodshed? Please actually do some research before making such senseless remarks. "I didn't say Russia alone won the war, but America didn't win it for the world. Because of how America has self glorified itself to such an extent many of the true victors of the war don't get the true credit they deserve. Russia pushed Germany back to Berlin which ultimately won the war. D-Day wasn't an American thing, Canada and Britain all fort that particular battle." I'm a WWII nut, and I've never met one single American who believes that the US won the war alone. Have you even been to America to ask actual Americans these questions of yours, instead of basing your opinion on what the media tells you? "America doesn't give a great deal of aid. For such a free country your leaders really have you eating their words. America is one of ths stingiest with aid, especially regarding the third world. We all know that the third world has its debts, many countries have either let off those debts or seriously reduced the amount that needs to be paid back, oh no, not America though, they are partly responsible for the condition of the third world in this respect." From what I can tell with this arguement, you're complaining about us not doing enough when we do the most? Where's that put the British? "Oh, i missed the crime one out. Lowest in 30 years...hmm...great. Still, your crimerate is the worst in the world, but i stand by the fact its coz you promote murder by letting people walk around with guns. The washington sniper thing and the school killings wouldan't have happened if they were banned. I laugh at the fact that people think they have the right to decide who lives who dies. Wanna protect your house? Get an alarm, there probably cheaper and they arent gonna kill anyone, that 'i want to protect my family' stuff is bullshit, the reat of the world manage." I almost laughed when I read that. You may enjoy this: England and Wales have the highest crime rate among the world's leading economies, according to a new report by the United Nations.The survey, which is likely to prove embarrassing to David Blunkett, the Home Secretary. shows that people are more likely to be mugged, burgled, robbed or assaulted here than in America, Germany, Russia, South Africa or any other of the world's 20 largest nations. Only the Dominican Republic, New Zealand and Finland have higher crime rates than England and Wales.According to the comparison of international crime statistics produced by the UN's Office for Drug Control and Crime Prevention, England and Wales had 9,766 crimes for every 100,000 people in the year 2000. America had 8,517, South Africa 7,997, Germany 7,621 and Russia 2,022.During the period 1998-2000, Britain went from fifth to fourth worst in the world league table. An analysis of total recorded crime figures before 1998 also suggests that England and Wales have moved sharply up the league table since Labour came to power in 1997. Crimes fell from 5.5 million in 1993 to 4.5 million in 1997. By 1999, total crimes had risen again to 5.3 million.Last night Oliver Letwin, the shadow home secretary, said: "This does rather blow a hole in David Blunkett's claim that New Labour has crime under control. It is a damning picture."The UN reports also shows that England and Wales are the second-worst places in the world for assaults, with 851 people assaulted per 100,000, and seventh for burglaries and car theft, with 1,579 burglaries per 100,000 population.Criminologists believe that a note of caution needs to be introduced into analysis of the data, because of the different ways in which UN member countries record crimes.I received that from David Bambers, the Home Affairs Correspondant. Please stop looking at the gnat in another countries eye while ignoring the camel in your own.

All this talk is a result of political socialization. It may be best to realize this, accept it, and move on.

You're absolutely correct.

X-Irish makes some good points, many of which have not been directly or adequately questioned.
Let me focus exclusively on two narrow foreign policy questions, as I think the "Americans are fat" claims and many of the other disparaging comments made in the initial post are largely meaningless.
Foreign Aid: X-Irish is both right and totally wrong on this issue. As a matter of absolute economic aid, the US is technically the top giver, but this is a deceiving figure. The US gives the least per GDP of all industrial nations (yes, dead last), and also fares very poorly per capita. Which index makes the most sense to use? Consider: If the EU were to suddenly become one country (with a population more comparable to the US), they would become the top foreign aid giver (by quite a wide margin) without giving anything additional to what they're already giving. This is why comparing per capita or per GDP makes so much more sense than comparing absolute values. Otherwise we would be comparing apples and oranges- it would be like saying that the State of California is more charitable than the State of Montana because California gives more money (never mind that CA is vastly larger and more populous). Under X-Irish's logic, we might as well conclude that Luxembourg is a stingy and miserly country because they have such a low population. Finally, most of the US's "aid" is "strategic aid"- aid with strings attached that has nothing to do with humanitarian goals. For instance, a large percentage of foreign aid is even given to countries under the condition (implicit or explicit) that they use a large portion of that aid to buy US military goods (Israel, for example), or that they provide us with military support (Pakistan, for example) . This isn't giving "foreign aid" as much as it is indirect military spending and defense contractor subsidization.
Now, I'm not concluding that the US should be giving more aid (I'll leave that question open; it's a more complex problem than it seems), but let's not fool ourselves with Enron-style accounting and questionable statistics into believing that the US is a beacon of benevolence and charity. 10 people giving 1 dollar each simply isn't more generous than 1 person giving 9 dollars.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki: The debate about why we dropped the bomb (or the bombs, rather) is far from over. Let me remind this forum that there's a significant scholarly body that believes that Japan was about to surrender anyway (or would have shortly surrendered), and that the bomb was dropped largely as an implicit threat to the USSR, which we were beginning to see as a threat. There's also a huge question about whether 2 bombs were necessary. Although Japan didn't immediately surrender after Hiroshima, it now appears quite likely that they would have surrendered without Nagasaki.

Not enough aid? Doesn't the US have the largest debt also?

Yes, but again: In reply to:I’m not concluding that the US should be giving more aid (self quote) I'm just pointing out a common fallacy about US aid.

This post is not directed at you Steppenwolf...I just hit reply...Why does the world hate America, in particular Al-Quaeda and fundamentalists? Its not necessarily any past military action such as w/drawing when Afghan. was invaded by the USSR or any other wars (we were friends w/ Saddam during the Iran-Contra and Hostage Affair). Nope its not just this, its Western Culture. BTW, Brits, they hate you too.Americans receive a bad rap from the appearence of the upper crust/echelon of society. The greedy, money thirsty corporates at Worldcom, Enron, Haliburton, and Martha Stewart seem to portray all Americans like this. The fact remains that many Americans feel animosity towards these corporations. The media takes these stories and runs with them spinning them into an anti-government web saying they should regulate, etc.Nike, GAP, Old Navy, Abercrombie, etc. all export millions of jobs every year to Taiwan, China, Vietnam, Japan, etc. where there are no working regulations. Here in America a business owner pays about $15,000 in taxes a year per employee, there they don't. These corporations pay 13.5 cents and hour from 6 am to 10 pm and these families who have nothing, despite the conditions are ecstatic to have some income (per my history prof. who spent a year in Taiwan and Vietnam). The gov't is elated to have anything pumped into their dwindling economies, but Americans again have an animosity towards these companies. Do you not think the million unemployed workers want these jobs? Well, hell its bread on the table at least.What about the Mequilladoras on the border between Texas/Arizona/New Mexico and Mexico? The toilet paper factories, etc., could be employing Americans, nope, its Mexicans from across the border.My point is simple, its easy to point the finger at pulling out of Afghan in the late 70s early 80s for whats happening now and the hate towards the US, but this is a HUGE reason as well.

This isn't directed at you Worried.But you know what really is pissing me off right now? The fact that you (Max) are getting your information from what you hear and read about in England news, while we get ours here in America. Now if you think for two seconds that YOUR media newscasters don't try to pull the wool over your eyes just like ours try to you're really naive. That's what newscasters gets paid to do, make everyone panic and give the false information and HALF TRUTHS. There's really no point in even continuing your argument about "the lot of us Americans". You say you have no problem with Americans but yet you have a problem with America. We're one in the same. Americans ARE America and w/o Americans there would be no America.You know you talk a lot of shit about our president. Well how's about you bring your happy ass over here and see if you can do a better job? Oh wait, I forgot you can't because you're not an American. Darn! I was so hoping to see you put your foot in your mouth and swallow. And here's one for you before you start bad-mouthing my president again:FDR led us into World War II. Germany never attacked us. Japan did. From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost, an average of 112,500 per year.Truman finished that war and started one in Korea, North Korea never attacked us. From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost, an average of 18,333 per year.John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us.Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost, an average of 5,800 per year.Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent, Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on multiple occasions.You know, Bush senior went to Iraq during Desert Storm because Kuwait asked for help and because the UN also said. When Kuwait was liberated we pulled out because all we were supposed to do was free Kuwait. Sadam Hussein should have been taken out then. The difference between Bush Sr and Bush Jr is that Bush Jr could give a shit less about receiving the permission of the UN. He does what he thinks is best for OUR country, not YOURS. You have a monarchy and Parliament for that. His reason for going there may not have been right but getting rid of a viscious dictator who was responsible for commiting genocide against his own people was right. He shouldn't have to ask for permission to do what he thinks is best for his country from an organization who doesn't give a damn about us in the first place.And as far as foreign aid is concerned, I don't care. We have people starving in our own back yard. You don't hear about it because you don't live here for one thing. Another thing, people here in America don't even hear about it much because this is America. "The Land of Opportunity. The Land of Dreams and Chances" I work in it. I volunteer for places like the American Red Cross that work to feed people who are starving to death right here in America. I'm not talking about bums, homeless people, I'm talking about people who have kids and live in slums because they work less than minimum wage jobs and can't afford to feed their children let alone make enough money to keep the electric, water, and gas turned on. Those are the people that go un-noticed here. But the homeless guy standing on a corner who makes more money in a day than I do in a week is the first one we hear about on the news. I get to see children who suffer from malnutrition so bad that there skin has drawn up tightly and their bellies swollen. Children who are so dehydrated that the slightest touch of your hand hurts them. And I see children everday like that in hospitals that I do my clinicals in. So before you start telling my country they should give more foreign aid, you bite your tongue mister, because we have problems here to deal with before we start worrying about the condition of streets in Spain and the conditions of sewage maintenance in France. So the next time someone wants to talk about how stingy we are sit on it and twist. I'm tired of people saying we should give more money to foreign countries who never back us up in the first place but we're the first place they come to when they want something. I've only got a few words for that: PISS OFF! AND GO GET YOUR DAMN MONEY ELSEWHERE!

xIrish your not a proper irishman are you?"America is crap when it comes to war? Really? Then how is that a bunch of farmers with pitchforks beat the almighty forces of the British Empire during the American Revolution?"Thats not accurate, technically we beat ourselves, and if Britain really gave that much of a shit about a country which at that time was nothing then we would have kept it.The Abrams tank was vulnerable during the Iraq war and the Challenger 2 tank was better. You have better planes coz you got more people and as a result you got more money to spend on stuff.75% of world terroism originates from America. That is a fact i stand by. Prehaps i gave the impression that a terrorist is a person who straps a bomb to their chest of something. Other things such as financing terrorism mainly comes from America. If you were really irish you'd know about where the IRA used to get their funding from."America has killed more innocent lives than every country put togeather. Hiroshima was but 1 example, and no it wasn't necessary." ok i'll rephrase this, America has killed more forigners than any other country in the world. I didn't say that we haven't done the same thing but we aren't the no.1 culprits.I said America glorifies WW2 etc etc. Look at all the war films, they all make america look like the've singlehandedly won WW2 for the world, that you cannot deny. I know that films are fiction but the media has such a stranglehold in America over people that the'd probably beleive that films that were set during a certain real life theme are based on true stories.You do not do the most for aid. As long as it isn't going on in your 'back yard', you don't care about the rest of the world, even if you do it has your interests at heart. Iraq - Oil.We have our rough areas, but i dont live in one, i live in a fairly rural area which is pretty safe. Labour are shit, they won't be in power for much longer, im voting conservitive as they got things done, whereas Blair is a nonce. He is the countries most hated man At the end of the day most of what were renound for is petty crime, your the place with all the murders 'n' shit.Ahh, Canfath, going on about the media. Americans have a tendency to lap up everthing the media says, thats one of the reasons you think guns are ok, to protect your family or whatever bullshit, like you say the media just tells you what you want to hear and whats gonna get the best ratings. Your a hypocrit Our news is a lot more unbiased on events and i don't beleive blindly what they have to say but i check many sources and although i might be sketchy with all the details i can put 2 and 2 togeather to make 4.Americans aren't America necesseraly(sp?) You would be considered an America American. You fall into the stereotype rather nicely.Your president is a knob. I don't think i could do his job, i wouldan't want his job but there are people 100x more qualified to do it. You pick your president on which candidate has the whitest smile, not the one that can do the best for your country.You gave a few examples of where America has put their nose in other peoples business, especially when the UN didn't. The United Nations means just that, that Nations are United, America just minces off and does what it wants and the world is it's playround. It ain't.If America didn't take Binladen when they could thats just stupidity, basically asking for an attack.America entered the gulf war because of its own agenda - Oil. You were told that it was to help the poor (well rich) kuaities but that was just a secondry objective.Oh, vietnam is an example of what happens to America when it tries to goto war alone.How many wars have America won on their own? Like i said earlier, the Revolution was actually British on British, so what have you singlehandedly won? hmm?If you don't care about the rest of the world starving and you have 'em starving in your own 'back yard' i see that as another example of how America is run by retards.Also Canfath i find you a very cold and heartless person generally if you don't care about whats going on in the world and how unfortunate countries have got into soo much world debt and the fact that the most powerful economic country in the world can't spare a few hundred million to change the lives of hundreds of millions of poor people in poverty who can barely survive as the water they need to live could very much kill them.'Every 3 seconds a child dies to poverty' - Oxfam.Also im just raising world oppinions here. This isn't a personal stab at america but a worldwide one. America is the most hated country in the world. I don't approve some methods that have been used against america but they haven't been unprovoked. If you took binners when you had the chance, if you got outta countries that don't want you there and respected the world like most other countries do you wouldan't have gotten into this position. You can keep stabbing at my remarks but they are how america is seen, when i write these posts im pretty emotionless about them, i enjoy ranting on so analysiing every part of my post just gives me an excuse to write, i like it. At the end of it, i'll just keep counteranalysising from what very much are worldwide oppinions and y'know we'll see what happens.xIrish, you've done some interesting counter attacks to my posts but lets face it you just pick up on small inaccuracys that can be sorted by rephrasing or reemphasising points and its nice you went outta your way to get certain bits of information, i didn't really bother. I just read something on 'why the world hates america - an unbiased view' which raised interesting points. If course i just took the negitive points as thats how the world sees you. Canfath, your post was just soo easy to counteranalyse which was nice, but like i said i do find you cold, heartless and bitter. I can't remember you posting anything positive, last thing i remember you going on about is your love affair with guns and now saying its ok for people to starve to death. Nice.

"xIrish your not a proper irishman are you?"Does that have anything to do with anything?"Thats not accurate, technically we beat ourselves, and if Britain really gave that much of a shit about a country which at that time was nothing then we would have kept it."How did you beat yourselves? Just because the americans were originally from Britain doesn't mean they were british. You imply that Britain didn't give a shit about our country, but they went to war with us over it? Wow, there must be nothing better to do over in england."75% of world terroism originates from America. That is a fact i stand by. Prehaps i gave the impression that a terrorist is a person who straps a bomb to their chest of something. Other things such as financing terrorism mainly comes from America. If you were really irish you'd know about where the IRA used to get their funding from."You've yet to give a source for this "fact"" ok i'll rephrase this, America has killed more forigners than any other country in the world. I didn't say that we haven't done the same thing but we aren't the no.1 culprits"Apparently america has been slaughtering millions of people and I didn't even know about it. Not only do you not back this up, it doesn't even makes sense seeing as how america is "You do not do the most for aid. As long as it isn't going on in your 'back yard', you don't care about the rest of the world, even if you do it has your interests at heart. Iraq - Oil."Do you expect us to knock on your front door and give you some warm soup? xIrish and cenfath have already gone over this."Ahh, Canfath, going on about the media. Americans have a tendency to lap up everthing the media says, thats one of the reasons you think guns are ok, to protect your family or whatever bullshit, like you say the media just tells you what you want to hear and whats gonna get the best ratings. Your a hypocrit"I've never turned on a news station and been told to buy a gun to protect my family."Our news is a lot more unbiased on events and i don't beleive blindly what they have to say but i check many sources and although i might be sketchy with all the details i can put 2 and 2 togeather to make 4."You say you check many sources for your news, but it doesn't look like you've verified anything you've said in this post, hypocrite "Americans aren't America necesseraly(sp?) You would be considered an America American. You fall into the stereotype rather nicely."So what is america? The dirt we live on? You're pretty silly for hating that."Your president is a knob. I don't think i could do his job, i wouldan't want his job but there are people 100x more qualified to do it. You pick your president on which candidate has the whitest smile, not the one that can do the best for your country."A lot of americans agree that he's not a good president, and he'll probably be out in november. It's called democracy."If America didn't take Binladen when they could thats just stupidity, basically asking for an attack."I doubt you're qualified to question american intelligence and military tactics."America entered the gulf war because of its own agenda - Oil. You were told that it was to help the poor (well rich) kuaities but that was just a secondry objective."Are we NOT supposed to what's in our best interest? If the war was because of oil, that's justifiable because we NEED oil."How many wars have America won on their own? Like i said earlier, the Revolution was actually British on British, so what have you singlehandedly won? hmm?"We won the revolutionary war, but why would it even matter how many wars we've won on our own? Would we be a better country if we went out and won a couple more wars?"If you don't care about the rest of the world starving and you have 'em starving in your own 'back yard' i see that as another example of how America is run by retards."This doesn't even make sense."Also Canfath i find you a very cold and heartless person generally if you don't care about whats going on in the world and how unfortunate countries have got into soo much world debt and the fact that the most powerful economic country in the world can't spare a few hundred million to change the lives of hundreds of millions of poor people in poverty who can barely survive as the water they need to live could very much kill them."cenfath already explained that we have domestic problems to deal with. Unfortunate countries are in debt, so we should give them money? Our national debt is in the trillions, we can't afford to give away hundreds of millions of dollars."'Every 3 seconds a child dies to poverty' - Oxfam."Thanks for describing our situation."Also im just raising world oppinions here. This isn't a personal stab at america but a worldwide one. America is the most hated country in the world. I don't approve some methods that have been used against america but they haven't been unprovoked. If you took binners when you had the chance, if you got outta countries that don't want you there and respected the world like most other countries do you wouldan't have gotten into this position. You can keep stabbing at my remarks but they are how america is seen, when i write these posts im pretty emotionless about them, i enjoy ranting on so analysiing every part of my post just gives me an excuse to write, i like it. At the end of it, i'll just keep counteranalysising from what very much are worldwide oppinions and y'know we'll see what happens."Yes, you do enjoy ranting."xIrish, you've done some interesting counter attacks to my posts but lets face it you just pick up on small inaccuracys that can be sorted by rephrasing or reemphasising points and its nice you went outta your way to get certain bits of information, i didn't really bother. I just read something on 'why the world hates america - an unbiased view' which raised interesting points. If course i just took the negitive points as thats how the world sees you. "Wrong"Canfath, your post was just soo easy to counteranalyse which was nice, but like i said i do find you cold, heartless and bitter. I can't remember you posting anything positive, last thing i remember you going on about is your love affair with guns and now saying its ok for people to starve to death. Nice. "It's pretty obvious that when you read cenfath's post, you only read the parts that you wanted to read.

This is where the stuck up, cocky, spoon up ass stereotype of British "I'm better thanj you EVEN IF I DON'T HAVE FUCKIN' FACTS" attitude comes from.

you're full of shit

then he bess crap it out before he gets constipated.

And you live in DC so take particular offense.

Thank you seven.Max - First of all, you have no fucking clue what I do with my time or my life. I have devoted more spare time than most working for organizations like Feed The Children, UNICEF (United Nations Children's Fund), American Red Cross, and other organizations. Not to mention that I used to volunteer for a hospital until I started my clinicals. I watch children come in who are starving to deat and so dehydrated that is sickening sometimes to look at them. I'm going to school to be a nurse and then going on to get a degree for medicine later to become a pediatric oncologist. I'll be working with children who have cancer. I'll watch my patients suffer because the medicine that we give them makes them sick but it's the only medicine that we have to offer as treatment for cancer. And I'll even see some of my own patients die. I support my church in efforts to help clean up our streets and I also organize food drives 3-4 times a year to help other less fortunate people who cannot afford to feed their families. So to call me cold, heartless, and bitter is not in the least bit true. Most people here know that. They also know that my heart goes out to children and those are the people I'd rather spend my time with. You may want to find someone else to call cold and heartless.I'm a hypocrite for "lapping up what the media says" but hey Einstein guess what? I'm TOO DAMN BUSY TO EVEN CARE ABOUT T.V. I haven't watched anything to do with the news in 6 months unless you count a weather forecast. I simply don't have the time to waste on it. However, when I did watch the news I never heard them tell me to go buy a gun. They don't like guns. In fact, everything I've ever heard the media say about guns has been bad, unless they were talking about a "gun show". I bought a gun and am licensed to carry a concealed weapon because I can and I choose to. I'm not a fanatic, I choose to own a gun. If you don't like it, stay in England. I live in America where I have the "right to bare arms." I have a gun because I want one and it just so happens that if someone breaks into my house, I'll use my gun for protection against them (and also FYI I HAVE an alarm system. My grandparents had one too when they were robbed and beaten). Theft detterents don't always work.For someone who thoroughly checks facts and statistics your "variety" of resources not only have yet to be mentioned as to where you found them but they seem to all revolve around UK sources.Another thing, if WE don't protect OUR interests who will? England? Bull shit.I can put 3 and 3 together and make six. So what's your point of putting 2 and 2 together?I never said it was okay for people to starve to death. I said it's bullshit that we have people starving here that we don't the money to help but you want us to spend more money giving money to foreign countries that we DON'T HAVE. Oh and if you're going to use my name please spell it right: It's C-E-N-F-A-T-H.

Firsly Canfath or whatever i didn't bother reading your post since the first paragraph contradicted you whole attitude.LOL i hade to pick this bit out"I doubt you're qualified to question american intelligence and military tactics."American intelligence, tactics, lol thats funny.The revolution, at the end of the day Britain could have fort back America, we still were superior to the people who moved there, so yeh your right, we didn't want to keep america, we didn't give a shit about your country The 75% of world terrorism thing is fact, cba to find out where i read it, you've got the internet you look for it I stand by it. What have i got to prove, have u read my posts? Who said america have been killing millions? You've killed more innocents than any other recent country excluding Germany, but you've also managed to kill more friendlies than enemies :sWhats this soup crap? I just made a point that you don't care about any other country than your own, where even you lot admit is run by a complete tosser, but you are a country of ignorance regarding the rest of the world.I laugh at the fact that you lot are allowed to run around with guns, i bet the washington sniper was considered a national hero and those school killing sprees are extra curricular activities. I don't symothise with this, i think its just a joke, your country promotes murder, i'd feel safter living in Iraq.I could go through each point with web addresses but i can't be arsed.You shouldan't need all this oil if you gave a shit about the envoroment you'd have seen it as an excuse to cut down, especially with your shitty cars which do like 1mpg. Your motor industry is in the stonage, it'd be a start for 1 to get decent cars 2 to learn to drive manual cars (more fuel efficient).Interesting fact you didn't say any wars you won, i don't know much about american history, hardly as interesting as most is it? No it doesen't make you a better country but if you are effective at war your a more respected country, thing with america is that it has more collaterol (people) so it can send 'em all to their deaths all that "try to kill the Iraq twats whilst we try to bomb you men" stuff.Look, why would i take bits that would weaken my attack? you've ripped the bits from my posts you disagree with why wouldan't i do the same.And do you not agree with the fact that i say the world hates america? My posts may be full of crap, its stuff i've heard/read etc over the years, i'm not doing it because i have something to prove, it is fact that noone likes America the've done no real good in this world. There was a time i thourght America was great and that i'd like to live there some day, i've been to america, it is a nice place. The weather is nice but its a little corny for my liking. All that "have a nice day" crap that goes on, its soooooo false, say whats on your mind.Its funny that you think America is really that bad, even the poverty in america is nothing compaired to the third world. Every country also has debt but the've let the third world off, its countries like America that are responsable for poverty as it is.Slightly sorry Canfath, its just after the gun post i've never really agreed with you, but i have seen bowling for colombine and i know that your a typical american in that respect.Oh, and enough about America Americans or whatever shit i was goin on about. Would you like me to say i don't like how the country is run or something.This is fun isn't it?

Gotta admit this post is funny. I'm gonna admit a few things now. Firstly most of what i've written is obviously bullshit and i got the response i expected. I needed a laugh and i knew the'd be people on this board who were 'up' for making something for me to laugh at. In the 'real world' im pretty reserved and i use this forum to vent, i say it how it is in my head, people on this board took my bullshit to heart and have tried to respond to my post as you must actually care, problem is i don't. I don't need truth to push this post, i just need your responses. I don't care if im right or wrong, but i think that again there are people who have taken this shit too seriously, and it has been a bit nastier than some of my posts but lets be honest, Americans really need a humour transplant, i've met stones who can take a joke more than some of the people on this board. The people i'd consider to be dull are the people who have replied negitively to my post, some people have posted who've understood my post better than others.At the end of the day this is a post that you simply cannot win as there is nothing to win, i can counter post any post that is posted and yeh im sure it'll wind people up but for fucks sake, some people really need to take a chill pill.But its an excuse for me to prove another point. My posts have been uneducated oppinions, i wouldan't talk to people on here about real issues, you can't do anything to help, noone really helps anyone on this board anymore and its generally pretty dull, this post has livened things up and got people firing a bit. Great. But like i said i've just posted oppinions and people have tried to change my oppinion by writing 10 mins of bullshit, you cannot change my mind really.1 more truth, the stuff i've written i don't really beleive, some of my stuff was true but i don't have anything against America, Americans or anything else beggning with A, so stop taking it personally since its just a post to get a response and i guess you were taken in by it.I'd like to see this post locked because people are getting overexited now Peace.