Gay Marriage Legalized in California

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I just saw this on tv. Awesome!!

LOL that's old news silly girl!I think it is awesome! BUT, I don't like the idea that the Supreme court can turn over a vote like that...It isn't the first time, I don't necessarily agree with the how, but do agree with the decision...So did I speak a bit of sense?

Yeah I'm watching best week ever on vh1 and I was like cool! Lol I pulled 4 double shifts last week so I'm far behind on news. I thinks its awesome being that california has a large gay population and now they can marry its just great.

About time!

Originally Posted By: Radeckl Originally Posted By: JCiAbout time! What's about time?I confuse easily! Think he/she meant about time they legalized gay marriage

Yeah I was a bit lost too.

I was to embaressed to ask. Lol

Thanks for helping rad

Originally Posted By: RadecklIf the majority of voters have their way, it won't last. My view: If you aren't gay, why do you get to vote on the rights of gay people? The way I see it, I'm not gay, so why should I get to decide whether or not homosexuals may marry? It's like girls voting on whether or not Urinals should be in a men's restroom.

Quote: It's like girls voting on whether or not Urinals should be in a men's restroom. wow... VERY good point.

I know, and Yay!

You hit the nail on the head, Rad!If something should happen to Adam while we are on vacation in Florida and he is not conscious I have no right to sign any medical release forums, or consent to any life saving surgeries. Instead they'll have to wait for a relative to give consent etc, which could end up killing Adam. Also, (God forbid!) Adam should die and even though I am listed as the beneficiary of his life insurance his family can easily take me to court and over turn Adam’s wishes simply because we are not married or even recognized in the eyes of the law. There is so much more to getting married that just getting married. There are many rights as American citizens that we get denied for simply being gay; something we have no control over.

I have given it a lot of thought. I think that gay couples SHOULD be allowed to marry. They are sharing lives together, and they should have the rights and responsibilities.I think that the partner should have say in med. treatment, I think they should be responsible jointly for debt, I think that they should have rights to death benefits, and I think that they should have to deal with the consequences of divorce, just like straight couples. I think marriage would offer a stability for adopting children that isn't there right now. And if they choose to not marry, and just "shack up" they should have the same consequences there too...

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfAlso, (God forbid!) Adam should die and even though I am listed as the beneficiary of his life insurance his family can easily take me to court and over turn Adam’s wishes simply because we are not married or even recognized in the eyes of the law.Until equality is someday bestowed on you, you both should put in your wills that your next of kin (each brother, each sister, each parent) gets your love and respect and one dollar and state explicitly but rationally and without malice that you don't want them to have anything else from your estate. I don't know about Ohio but that would make it very hard for them to come in on the will in Oklahoma.

I guess I am just simply more honest. Or something. I see it as a big challenge if me and my man were to split up, or if something were to happen to one of us. Much more to lose at this point, than if we were married. For now though, the risk is worth the benefits. As it stands, if something happens to one of us, or one of our kids, the other one of us has little to no say in what goes. I need a note to take his kid to the Dr., and visa versa. They will not allow a note on file for even 6 months, a new one must be written at each visit. If we split, we have both invested A LOT into this thing, and there is a lot to be lost by one or both of us, because mostly it boils down to who's account was charged. I suppose if I were (or he were) to just go change a last name it would "uncomplicate" things to a degree. If, I didn't get along with his family, and they said that I couldn't visit him in the hospital, the hospital wouldn't/couldn't let me in.I can't just be added to his insurance. With the last name difference, I would have to prove to be his spouse. AND that would come when I filed a claim, AFTER I paid an exorbitant amount in premiums.If we were to ever file taxes together, and were found out, the financial consequences could be quite high. I am not in a common law state, and for SO many things, I.D. is required, at that point it is obvious that we aren't married.I was in DMV paying tags on a boyfriends car, and the clerk required ID for me to take the tags home, in the end, she had to mail them to him, so why didn't I just do it all through the mail, since we were in the same home???? Just another lame example of how "shacking up" has it's difficulties.I am also certain, that all of this varies from state to state, and maybe even from county to county, and company to company.

Quote:Until equality is someday bestowed on you, you both should put in your wills that your next of kin (each brother, each sister, each parent) gets your love and respect and one dollar and state explicitly but rationally and without malice that you don't want them to have anything else from your estate. I don't know about Ohio but that would make it very hard for them to come in on the will in Oklahoma. Well there was a case here in Ohio several years back where a guy died and had his partner of something like 20 years as the beneficiary of his life insurance. Well the family of the deceased guy went to court and had the beneficiary changed to be his parents and the guys partner never got a dime to help cover the expenses the two shared together. The courts simply stated since the two were never legally seen in the eyes of the law that the partner had no rights to the life insurance. Granted though Ohio is a VERY conservative state, but I’ve heard story just like this one all over the country. It’s really sad.

There again, I might be just too honest. But I see it as if I "lived the lie" and something catastrophic happened, it could all go to hell...IDK, just doesn't seem worth it to me. We will marry when we are ready, as for now, the bene's DO outweigh the risks of not being married.

I find it sad, that, just because they are a gay couple, that a best friend is denied rights.I doubt if, best friends would have the same issues, as long as they were straight...

I think all you'd have to do in most of the examples you cite is check married and the problem would cease and no proof would be required.Sorry, but I think that is really bad advice. Most forms of any importance that one signs have a phrase that you declare that you are making truthful statements. (damn, I can't remember the technical term.) Lying in some cases can constiute perjury or prosecutable fraud at worst and invalidate benefits at best. I would not recommend it.

I did not take it as advice. I took it as an argument to "ease of being straight"...for lack of better wording. I also understood it to mean, that if a straight couple were to just check the married box, they are more likely to pull it off without question than a gay couple...OBVIOUSLY!

As for your daughters situation, the children are his. He has as much rights to what ever as she does.In my situation they are "step children". That makes a huge difference.If my guy and I had a child together that child would benefit from both of us. But as for a gay couple, the child could only be a natural child of one, and how could the other partner actually adopt them? Is that even possible?

Originally Posted By: RadWithout a marriage license and/or court papers, it just seems to boil down to someone's word for it.I am getting it more and more where your coming from. Unless someone protests paternity, no one is going to ask. Especially if there is no one else on record as the bio parent.