I'm speechless from this video

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I confess I was thinking from the voice that he was younger than 13 (I didn't see his age on the site). Even so, he would be a remarkable young man if he can talk as smoothly and confidently as that. I certainly can't! (I note, though, that in the sound-bite in the CBN piece you linked to, he is more natural, saying "you know" twice, and stumbling a little and repeating himself.)Some people are of the opinion that the important thing is the message, and it doesn't matter if it's this is a genuine unscripted call or not. I think that depends on what the piece is used for. If it's used as simply an illustration of the Christian theology on pain, it doesn't matter. On the other hand, if it is promoted as a real-life example of God working in the world, then it does matter.As a message to non-Christians, it suffers from the practical problem that it immediately raises questions about its authenticity, which obscure the message. It is more effective at preaching to the choir than to the world at large, I think.I should add that the whole question of 'faking' is a difficult one. It's possible that Logan himself simply wrote down on paper and rehearsed what he was going to say before taking the scary step of calling a radio station, in which case it would hardly be faking. Or it may have been, a little less creditably, a joint family effort, but still about a real event.Moving from the particular to the general, there are a number of inspiring stories in circulation that snopes has determined to be false. (This particular one isn't dealt with by snopes, except for being raised on its discussion board.) Some of them may have been written originally as fictional stories, and then quoted without making this clear. However, I suspect there are people who consider that the ends justify the means, who thereby damage their own cause.On a different note, it is interesting that while on the Net we advise strongly against information that could lead to people finding the address of someone underage, the Christian Broadcasting Network doesn't seem to bother about such things, giving not only the boy's full name, but the names of his parents and of the very small town in which they live, from which his home address can be very easily found. (One might expect the name to be a pseudonym, but a couple with the same names as the names of the parents lives in the town, the only Hendersons in town.)Could I add that I hope we can disagree with each other without its being an attack, or being considered as an attack.

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Could I add that I hope we can disagree with each other without its being an attack, or being considered as an attack.
I didn't intend for it to be an attack; that's usually not what I'm going for. I was simply stating my opinions on your thoughts. :smile:

wow this thread sucks, anyways. i dont think ineligible and others are saying children are incapable of saying such things, just that THIS particular case SOUNDS too smooth or rehearsed. and again, like ineligible suggested (god that guys smart,and yes you too sdp,odd coming from me huh?) it COULD have been rehearsed but still have happened like the boy suggested, but that he thought about what to say before calling.or yes, it could have been staged, with that ineligible explained it better then i could so ill leave it at that

Yes, that wasn't intended to be at you, Bob, but a general observation, prompted by this and some other threads.

I wasn't able to watch this video earlier today cause youtube is blocked in the schools. So I just watched it.I don't get it. Why is it so hard to accept that for what it is? I don't think it sounded rehearsed and polished at all. And there were certainly some unplanned moments. I'm betting you that this kid thought about what he was going to say quite a bit before he placed the call. Possibly even went through it in his mind quite a bit. I'd wager that I've been around more pre-teens and young teenagers than most people on here. There's nothing suspicious about this to me. I could fill a room with kids that age who are able to speak with this level of eloquence and insight.I guess we hear what we want to hear.

I agree with you 100%. It hurts me that people would think he is faking it. I really think God gave him the power to call up and share his story. I'd be incredibly nervous even now to call up a radio on live air and share a story that would make me cry.

Quote:I guess we hear what we want to hear. werd.

Originally Posted By: A.W.When some people, who don't believe in God and haven't read the Bible, try to talk morals to others, that offends me very much. Because that right there is hypocrisy, which I don't like at all. He's right. Sure you may say that well of course I have morals and I'm an atheist, I do and accept what I "feel" is right. Except in some cultures in Africa, they eat other humans. They see nothing wrong with it, it's just a matter of survival to them. Now that's the exact same thing as you are saying when you say well I "feel" in my heart what is right and what is wrong. Who's to say what is right and what is wrong if both you and the cannibals go through life without the Bible and without God? Yet you forget to realize that it's God that teaches us what is right and what is wrong, and it's kept in between the front and back cover of the BIBLE. Good book, I suggest you read it sometime with a pastor or maybe Damien seeing as he's one of the few who understands it very well.

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Sure you may say that well of course I have morals and I'm an atheist, I do and accept what I "feel" is right. Except in some cultures in Africa, they eat other humans.
Exactly, other cultures. Who are we to say what is right and what is wrong in different countries? We are not the world police and we have to try to learn to accept that. I don't like female circumcision as much as the next person, but I can't say "they are wrong".

And people doing things as extreme as this doesn't intertwine with morality. This is what they know and it's even customary.

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Who's to say what is right and what is wrong if both you and the cannibals go through life without the Bible and without God?
Who are _you _ to say that I can't be moral because I don't read the Bible?

You use the Bible if you're Christian to determine what is right and what is wrong in your life. If you don't use any holy book and don't believe in God, how do you know the difference? Which I said, most atheists say that they feel what is right or wrong. Yet a cannibal in Africa will eat another man, and it's just something he feels. He doesn't think it's wrong or right, it's just what he does. So this is why I'm saying atheists can't have a moral framework because theres no where to base what is right or wrong.

I would say instincts. Just because someone is an atheists doesn't mean they don't know right from wrong.

And you keep saying Africa. What about the Chinese who use unborn fetuses in their soups.

Quote:Yet you forget to realize that it's God that teaches us what is right and what is wrong, and it's kept in between the front and back cover of the BIBLE. So no other religion can teach morals? What about religions that have their beliefs based on teachings rather than books? I'm not trying to flame or attack you (I'll probably have to make that clear in all my posts from now on) but every time you speak of religion, you speak of it as the only one that is correct. You are trying too hard to push it on other people which I have always been taught as the "Christian" thing to do but I have always rejected. I HATE people trying to force their beliefs on me. Telling someone to go read your god's rules for conduct isn't the best way to convert them, either.  Quote: He doesn't think it's wrong or right, it's just what he does. I know I'm taking this way too literally, but you are saying it like non religious people aren't capable of conscious thought. And who says all cannibals aren't religious?

And I'm not saying any country is the world police, I'm saying that a moral framework comes with use of the Bible. There is no police here, it's just a matter of how do you know what is right and what is wrong if you don't have a set framework.

Quote:Telling someone to go read your god's rules for conduct isn't the best way to convert them, either.I just got a VERY bad memory with that one line.

Dude I'm not saying you have to follow the Bible to have a framework, you just need a God that has given you standards to hold in respect. God says Do not murder, so you don't murder. If he didn't say that, how would you know not to kill someone? How would know why it is wrong? And when you say "Well who's to say what is right and what is wrong?" God is to say what is right and what is wrong and he helped the men who wrote the Bible to preach that. All teachings of morality need a standard given to by a perfect and righteous God.

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If you don't use any holy book and don't believe in God, how do you know the difference?
Easy, I learn from experience and what I was taught from my parents. I always say thank you, hold the door open to let people behind me pass, I've donated money and blood, and the list goes on.

And I know stealing and killing someone is wrong. I don't need a book to tell me, it's just what I've learned.

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Yet a cannibal in Africa will eat another man, and it's just something he feels. He doesn't think it's wrong or right, it's just what he does.
Again, cultural differences does NOT intertwine with your personal view of morality.

So now you're saying life has worth?

Atheists feel life isn't worth anything and nothing happens when you die, so you're just another being in the machine of evolution. Why is there a struggle to survive and reproduce if life is so meaningless? So if life isn't worth anything then why are there laws that will incriminate you for taking another's life (cough God cough)? If our world never had a God, I can guarantee there would be no laws against murder because life is meaningless! **IN FACT, IT WOULD BE SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST IF YOU COULD MURDER ONE ANOTHER ** The person who could evade murder the best would survive and move on to reproduce.

Every action in the atheistic world goes unjustified. There's no punishment in atheism and it's human nature to be bad unless there is a teacher to tell them it is wrong. But where does this teacher learn? And who are your parents to say what you did as a child was wrong Virtual? You say you learned from experience? Well how did you become aware from your experience that what you did was wrong; if no one was there to punish you or tell you not to do it you would keep doing it?

Stealing doesn't hurt you, except it's against the law because of the 10 commandments. It hurts someone else, but isn't it survival of the fittest? Maybe he should adapt to having stuff stolen and learn to be less vulnerable. OR MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN INSTEAD THAT IT'S WRONG TO DO THAT TO SOMEONE AND WE COULD MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!

that's why God and Jesus tried to do!

Quote: Dude I'm not saying you have to follow the Bible to have a framework, you just need a God that has given you standards to hold in respect. God says Do not murder, so you don't murder. If he didn't say that, how would you know not to kill someone? How would know why it is wrong? And how do you know cannibals don't? Maybe for them if food isn't readily available, killing their neighbor is what their god teaches them to do. That's how they know to kill someone. If they saw that your religion taught people to not eat each other when they were hungry, they probably would think your religious standards were wrong and that they had the only religion that was truly correct. Again, not attacking you, but you haven't given me a reason to believe that you are looking at morality from any perspective other than the Bible. Although the Bible and it's affiliated religions have most likely created the largest standards for moral behavior in 99% of societies today, that doesn't mean that it Christianity is the only way to look at things. Although Islam and Christianity are very similar, they do have differences in how to treat other people and how to live your life. Just because you choose the teachings of one doesn't mean the other one is incorrect. If you were raised in a primarily Islamic region, what would you probably think about Christianity right now? Quote:I just got a VERY bad memory with that one line.Did I just bring something back from another thread that I shouldn't have? This is one of maybe 2 or 3 long threads on these forums that I've kept up with in the past few weeks so if I said something that brings up grudges, I didn't know. Oops.