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isn't that the way the world works? if everyone only addressed problems that concerned them, i think the world might be a pretty shitty place.

Yeah, but when someone has absolutely no first hand knowledge of the subject, then why would I give any credence to their opinion?

because that's what this website is about, trying to give advice based not solely on first hand experience, but on what they have seen and heard in their life.

Yeah, but the opinion in the US is so overwhelmingly biased that you can't put a whole lot of weight behind the opinions and "things they heard".

yes, i guess that's true, and i'm not trying to sound confrontational. but aren't the people who are uncut, biased as well? with all due respect.

Yes, but I don't go around telling people who are cut that they are wrong to be cut or that they are missing out on something. I accept it at face value.

true.

hey, I wasn't downing anyone... but no matter how badly you may want me to have copied anything from a website, or to have no frame of reference to be talking from... you're wrong.

all that was lynch original, and I was uncircumcised until I was 18. yeah, the jacking was good... and I never had too many problems with it, but the facts and studies are out there people. You're NOT nasty because you're uncircumcised, but the simple fact remains that there is a greater chance for complications to arise if you are uncircumcised---which is why I had mine snipped.

again, as far as health and hygiene go, there's no valid argument against curcumcision. But it remains a matter of choice.

Lynch - there really aren't any increased risks of complications associated with uncircumcised males - it's more of an urban myth. These figures are off the top of my head, but it's something like 1% of uncircumcised males who have a problem with tight foreskin or phimosis and of these something like 95% either a) actually have no problem as congenital phimosis (which basically means you can't pull the foreskin back very easily until you hit puberty - just like you can't ejaculate and have no pubic hair) is natural for almost all males. b) have acquired phimosis caused through ignorance from parent's/children thinking you should be able to pull the foreskin back before you reach puberty and forcing it. (acquired phimosis is where you've pulled the foreskin back when it wasn't ready and caused some scar tissue to form resulting in you no longer being able to pull it back - can be treated in about 90% of cases with a steroid cream).In other words out of the incredibly small amount of people who do have complications almost all of them are caused through ignorance and parent's/kids thinking there's a problem when there really isn't. Which leaves us with the even more incredibly small number who actually have some sort of infection, which again in the majority of cases is caused by ignorance and poor hygeine. While we're at it though you do know that general anaesthetic (which is used in some cases for circumcision) is fatal in a similar incredibly small number of cases right? I don't mean to get tetchy about this, it just really pisses me off that for the vast majority of people there's some benefit to circumcision when there really is none unless you want it done purely for cosmetic reasons. In fact it reduces the sensitivity of the penis, causes a lot of discomfort not just in the actual circumcision process but in general - the need for lubrication etc.

lol less sensitive? my shit is very sensitive...need lube? lol right...dun need my friend. I don't understand why SOME get so defensive over this piece of skin. So what, we're born with it, we're born with a cord, but that's taken away and behold, we have a belly button...it's just a piece of skin, that covers the head, yes some have a problem with it, but a lot don't...Me, if i had grown up with it and IT WAS causing me problems, i'd probly have it removed, why? cuz it doesn't make it look mutilated, I think a penis with a head always showing is kind of cool...like a new type of art, and no...i'm not gay...it adds pleasure to masturbation? well, that's good for the people who masturbate, but since a lot don't...that can't really be an argueable point in my book, and besides i've read a lot of guys keep the excess skin rolled back when masturbating, so how can something that doesn't move over the head possibly give pleasure to the head? So yes, if i had it, and it was giving me problems, well then i'd get the ole snippidy snip, and have one less problem to try to deal with. tonsils act up? they usually come out. Wisdom teeth act up, they usually come out, appendix acts up? It usually comes up, and does anybody who's had any of those removed really feel they're less without it? or they are in some way a monster, mutilated by some doctor who took the easy way out?

Obviously if it's causing somebody problems then they get it removed. The point is that it shouldn't be removed by default under the premise that you stand some sort of increased risk of infection or complications.I'm very happy about your sensitivity, really, but the fact that you don't have a problem with it doesn't detract from all the many people who have been circumcised and complained about a lack of sensitivity.

if ur having problems the solution is not Snipped snip snip it is go to the DR or ask someone who know wut ur going through EG Sdp lance Etc and im sorre that u have never had the pleasure of having foreskin

In reply to:I don't understand why SOME get so defensive over this piece of skin. So what, we're born with it, we're born with a cord, but that's taken away and behold, we have a belly button...it's just a piece of skinPardon moi but that "piece of skin", the umbilical cord is what feeds your ass as a fetus inside yer mom. Of course when you get outta her its not needed cause you've got a mouth now.

In reply to:I don't understand why SOME get so defensive over this piece of skin. So what, we're born with it, we're born with a cord, but that's taken away and behold, we have a belly button...it's just a piece of skinThis is a pretty old thread. That was a pretty ignorant statement. Have you learned anything between then and now?

Given the interest that that particular poster has in foreskins, and the pride he takes in having one (he did start a foreskin pride thread), it would be intresting to know, after so many postings on the subject by many people, if there's been any evolution of thought.But thanks for your concern anyway, because it is very important not to re-animate old threads. It could be quite harmful. Yes, very bad indeed. No, not good at all. How would Stewie Griffin put it? ...

Thank you, my dear.

Lynch well it may be a matter of choice for some people. However, for many of us it was not. We were circumcised at birth because there was nonsense being espoused that being circumsized would stop masterbation (not), was heathier (many studies find that is not true either), is cleaner (many studies find that to be false as well and just anecdotal evidence on this site tells us that from those who are intact). So, I was penalized by being cut with no choice on my part. True I don't have first hand experience myself. However, my father, grandfathers, uncles, etc are all uncut. I never have heard, seen, or smelled any problems from any of them. So, I believe I have missed out on something that I had no choice in that I will never fully understand.I tried to prevent it from happening to my son, but because of such things as what your espousing, my wife had my son circumsized without my knowledge.It is good you had a choice and that you choose the option you like best. But suggesting that it is a good thing that it is done to infants right out of the womb I don't think is right. (And it is not always so uncomplicated in being circumsized there is some pretty good risk in having it done on such a regular basis). One opinion from the US of A

> I tried to prevent it from happening to my son... my wife had my son circumsized without my knowledge.

What a terrible violation of trust. That could really damage a marriage.

Being uncircumcised is not a problem. Keeping it clean is not a problem. A few girls I know have told me that she has found that uncut guys are usually much cleaner than cut guys. Some cut guys think just because they don't have a foreskin that they don't have to clean as often. Wrong!

D'uhhh...yeah, I guess so. Are you looking for a thread to hijack?