maybe the church of england should put more empasis on people keeping their dick in thier pants rather than trying to improve on the rate of aids and pregnancy victims. I say pregancy victims because most guys looking for a bit of ass dont wanna have a baby afterwards. Are the church of england just aposed to rubbers or are the apposed to the pill too?
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Live 8 and the G8 summit
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Its not the church of England that has problem, its just the Catholic side of Christianity. Protestants don't have a problem with contraception, or if they do they aren't as annoying and arogant about showing they have a problem.
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But in reality, not having access to condoms doesn't seem to be keeping people from having sex.
Are you speaking generally or specifically? Cause I know for a fact there are men who decide not to have intercourse based solely on the fact they don't have a condom..
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i ment to say catholics not church of england lol sorry
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I mean that there are a lot of people in Africa (and elsewhere) who are haveing plenty of sex with lots of people without a condom, and not worrying very much about it. That's why people are dropping like flies from AIDS (not to mention the many other STDs). There are many AIDS orphans in Africa.
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Okay, let me shake things up and get controversial. But seriously, this is just an honest question.
I remember reading or hearing a couple of years ago that one of the reasons for the AIDS crisis in Africa is the extreme high percentage of uncircumcised men. The researcher apparently thought he found a correlation between being uncircumcised and a higer rate of the virus. His thesis was that the AIDS rate in Africa was higher because most of the men were uncircumcised.
Of course this doesn't explain why America, where most men are circumcised, has a higher AIDS rate than several European countries where the percentage of circumcised men is much smaller. It also ignores the countless other explanations for the higher rate in Africa. Nonetheless, I'm not willing to ignore the theory just yet.
Anybody else heard of this theory?
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If it has any effect, it seems to be subtle. Do you have a pointer to some data?
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Gives empty headed, idealistic rock musicians a chance to do something feel good, and flex a little muscle. Great music, lots of goodtimes and fun, but otherwise...nothing is accomplished. Take accumulated money and foodstuffs to strong man dictator in Africa ( pick one) and watch as money and foodstuffs is distributed to strong man dictators family and supporters. Help the starving, poor people in power. Same ol' same ol'.
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so we should raise awareness of aids and std's in africa by promoting condoms. should we promote the usage of condomns and we should have more circumsized men. im proud of being un-circumsized. (dunno why) any1 else her un-circumsized. finally came we hve some evidence about the theory huh? oh and destroy the catholic church for it's ideas and it's arrogancy that they can be separate from the aids crisis and not be contributing towards helping it.
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Ignoring all the crap about condoms and the variouas other crap.. "wow catholics are dumb" - how insightful into your tur opinions on the dogma behind Catholicism.In reply to the original question, I think that if nothing else, it has raised awareness. Sure, people have had a good day but at the same time have become more aware of the problems that face Africa. I myself attended the march in Edinbrugh where 225k people marched to show our support. Was a great day. If we all made the effort to march, surely that shows that people care about the atrocities that other human beings face. I hope to God that Bush sees the 1 million in Philadelphia and changes something - he truelf has the power, if he made something happen he would gain a lot of support in a time where support for him is decreasing rapidly. Isn't it 2/3 of yanks want the troops out of Iraq now? I read it in The Observer a while ago. He has the power for change.
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Why do you think all of the money is going to dictators? Hopefully it's going to organizations that are on the ground there and engaged in the problems.The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation has given lots of money to fight preventable diseases in Africa, and it's done a lot of good.
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Ignoring all the crap about condoms and the variouas other crap.. "wow catholics are dumb" - how insightful into your tur opinions on the dogma behind Catholicism. [/quote
OK, I was raised Catholic, I have been taught the ins and outs of Catholicism. We're not saying that Catholics are dumb, we're saying that some of the beliefs upheld by the Catholics are seriously dated. But the ban on contraception won't last much longer, remember the good ol' days when eating meat on a Friday was a mortal sin?
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C'mon, SteveA, you are an intelligent guy ( and if that is an insult, my apologies). If you were a egotistical, control freak dictator, and there was money and food coming into your country, you would demand some if not all of it. You control everything that happens in your country, and you would control food/money distribution as well. Example. Food comes in to your country. It sits unloaded on the tarmac, until your people get a hefty bribe. It gets loaded finally, and then before it can get too far into the country, the guards at various check points must get "greased". I am not making this up off the top of my head. It is common sense, and then documented. Another reality is that any corporation that does bid'ness in one of these countries is not going to shoot themselves in the foot by telling the world of the heinious nature of the dictator. It would NOT serve the interests of the company attempting to make a diference. Does any of this make sense?
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That's all pointless. Live 8, unlike Live Aid, wasn't done to raise money. It was done to raise awareness and was scheduled for this past weekend to hopefully put a bit of pressure on the world leaders meeting together next week to do something about debt relief and poverty and the African AIDS crisis and such.
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There is corruption, and some aid disappears into the void. But most goes to where it's needed. Do you have any reliable statistics at hand, or are you just spewing?You can argue the "fishing / teaching to fish" point, but your kind of cynicism results in more disease, starvation, and suffering. It also sounds like the Republican party line.
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well everyone (and u specifiacally steve)we've aggreed its raised awareness. In reply to: Ignoring all the crap about condoms and the variouas other crap.. "wow catholics are dumb" - how insightful into your tur opinions on the dogma behind Catholicism.In reply to the original question, I think that if nothing else, it has raised awareness. Sure, people have had a good day but at the same time have become more aware of the problems that face Africa. I myself attended the march in Edinbrugh where 225k people marched to show our support. Was a great day. If we all made the effort to march, surely that shows that people care about the atrocities that other human beings face. I hope to God that Bush sees the 1 million in Philadelphia and changes something - he truelf has the power, if he made something happen he would gain a lot of support in a time where support for him is decreasing rapidly. Isn't it 2/3 of yanks want the troops out of Iraq now? I read it in The Observer a while ago. He has the power for change. but i agree with the above quote and hope that bush 'n' all do something if he doesnt snipers will be sent. (that includes u T.BLAIR) anyhoo is russia part of the g8. if so its poor and it needs aid as well! i hope bobs right for everyones sake that the catholics will soon change their ways. or risk losing support
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I read waaaay too many magazines, books, articles, and online material to have statistics ready to hand. I don't have that kind of time or energy, neither do I spew. If I sound like a republican and that line of reasoning makes sense to me, then I am at that moment a republican. If I sound like a democrat, and that line of reasoning makes sense to me, then I am momentarily a democrat . I was once a liberal tree hugger and then a conservative. Now I am just irritated. Fools have that effect on me. In the political game, labels are simply devisive. As are most labels. I am sufficiently a pessimist to realize that no matter what we do, it will be for naught, and optimistic enough to know we have to try. I am very aware of the complexities involved in the "Africa question" and have no confidence in any political inspired move to resolve the "question". The problems are many, varied and complex. Which simply means that the pols can only make it worse.Putting pressure on the politicians? If the powers that be decided that there must be something done about Africa, something will be done about Africa, regardless of some concert. Pols know what is best for us ( cough) and only a sustained attack will impact the pols
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In reply to: We're not saying that Catholics are dumb, we're saying that some of the beliefs upheld by the Catholics are seriously dated. Possum said it straight out.But I do agree about the ban on contraception being kicked out the door.
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> But I do agree about the ban on contraception being kicked out the door.
John Paul was very conservative, and he filled the ranks of cardinals and bishops with like-minded men. The church wants to appeal to the conservative elements in Africa and Latin America; they've already lost a lot of influence in the U.S. and Western Europe, and they're not going to "dilute" their message in the hope of getting it back. I don't see the Catholic church relaxing the rules anytime soon.
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In reply to: I don't see the Catholic church relaxing the rules anytime soon. so its all in vain. although if a cure to aids can be found and mass produced (hopefully) will everyone decide not to wear condoms because they not the cure is avalible? BUT diluting their message would get most supporting them again
