Is Masturbation Really A Healthy Act
Actors, what actors? Is this a metaphor thats lost on me?
You can enjoy it in private without it being wrong.
If it indeed was God who created us, then he had a reason for all our parts. Including that masturbation is pleasurable. He didn't make it feel good so that we had to ignore the pleasure! We can experience it and be happy!
Originally Posted By: payner90If it indeed was God who created us, then he had a reason for all our parts. Including that masturbation is pleasurable. He didn't make it feel good so that we had to ignore the pleasure! We can experience it and be happy! Hmmm...I obviously don't believe that masturbation is wrong. But I don't think this reasoning stands up. If it feels good, it's right? I can think of about a kabillions scenarios where you probably wouldn't think that's the case.
Originally Posted By: payner90Actors, what actors? Is this a metaphor thats lost on me?You can enjoy it in private without it being wrong.If it indeed was God who created us, then he had a reason for all our parts. Including that masturbation is pleasurable. He didn't make it feel good so that we had to ignore the pleasure! We can experience it and be happy! If God created us. I think i am enjoying this debate. God's intention was that it should be between two legally married people. I believe doing it with yourself show disrespect for Gods arrangement and also your inability to control your sex urge. People who cant do this may not be able to stop themselves from commiting some other crimes that the society fumes at.I also believe that people who are into this (especially teenagers) usually sufferes from low self esteem. These are are views.
Originally Posted By: sesantekIf God created us. I think i am enjoying this debate. God's intention was that it should be between two legally married people. If by "it" you mean partner sex, then okay. If by "it" you mean masturbation, there's no evidence anywhere in the Bible for that belief. Quote:I believe doing it with yourself show disrespect for Gods arrangementhow? Quote:and also your inability to control your sex urge.That doesn't really make sense. I know folks who have an inability to control their sexual urges who never masturbate. They just have sex with anyone they can get. Is that preferable to you? Masturbation can be done in a controlled manner just as intercourse can. Quote:People who cant do this may not be able to stop themselves from commiting some other crimes that the society fumes at.Seriously?!? You're considering masturbation a crime that society fumes at? And you honestly believe that someone who has a hard time controlling masturbation is more likely to commit a crime? That's just whacked. Have you just time-traveled here from the 18th century? Quote:I also believe that people who are into this (especially teenagers) usually sufferes from low self esteem. These are are views. This discussion that you enjoy will get nowhere if you continue to pull statements out of your but. I doubt you can offer any real evidence for this belief.
damien, did you ever go to the LINK that "sesantek" always adds to every post? This person is trying to build a case as to why masturbation is so bad and sinful because he or she sants to sell you a book on how to stop masturbating! Quote: Order “You Are A Story Away From Stopping Masturbation Report” TODAYand save money with this special introductory offer! Right now, for a limited time, you can take advantage of our special promotional offer and receive our simple REPORT “The Stop Masturbation Report" for just $12.69! That’s $12.69 off the regular price of $25.38 – and just a fraction of the cost of what you will pay for some other e-books, manuals or reports on the same topic!
Yeah, I did see that, and actually looked at the website.But if he's gonna come here offering nonsense, and nonsense that has been hurtful to a lot of people, I'm gonna take him to task.
I believe there should mutual respect for others views on online forums. I dont have to see thiongs the way you see it. We are all here to learn . I may have to report this to the moderator.
Originally Posted By: ScottP14
damien, did you ever go to the LINK that "sesantek" always adds to every post? This person is trying to build a case as to why masturbation is so bad and sinful because he or she sants to sell you a book on how to stop masturbating!
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Order "You Are A Story Away From Stopping Masturbation Report" TODAY
and save money with this special introductory offer!
Right now, for a limited time, you can take advantage of our special promotional offer and receive our simple REPORT "The Stop Masturbation Report" for just $12.69! That's $12.69 off the regular price of $25.38 -- and just a fraction of the cost of what you will pay for some other e-books, manuals or reports on the same topic!
hello actually i am not selling it to you. I am only selling to those who can be patient enough to look at issues from other people's point of views. Sometimes the way you have viewed an issue may not be what it is actually is.
Now if the other guy says the Bible did not talk about masturbation. I want to ask him if he can instruct his 5 year old son to masturbate. If you cant be bold to ask your 5 year old son or daughter to do it, then dont you think, you have to look at the way others who are not doing it see it.
Originally Posted By: sesantek
I believe there should mutual respect for others views on online forums. I dont have to see thiongs the way you see it. We are all here to learn .
Absolutely. I have total respect for your belief that masturbation is a sin. I don't agree, but I respect it. It's a view held by many. What I don't have respect for is your lack of reasoning, your twisting things to support an unsupportable case, your claiming that things are in the Bible that just aren't, and your adding to a dangerous belief that has hurt many. And, to be honest, I have to ask if you're actually here to learn.
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I may have to report this to the moderator.
Report what? That I disagreed with you and challenged you? Did you think you could log on, state your claims and beliefs, and not be challenged? I'm sorry that didn't work out for you. I invite you to share your concerns with the mods here. I think you'll find them very fair and possibly instructive.
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Now if the other guy says the Bible did not talk about masturbation.
Which it clearly doesn't...
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I want to ask him if he can instruct his 5 year old son to masturbate.
First of all, what does this have to do with the question of whether or not the Bible talks about masturbation? I don't mind having a respectful discussion with you, but it will help if you will stick to the question and not use this kind of pointless diversion.
Secondly, I actually don't have a 5 year old son, or any son for that matter, but if I did...well it's just a stupid question. 5 year old boys haven't even begun the process of sexual maturation. Masturbation isn't even an issue with them.
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If you cant be bold to ask your 5 year old son or daughter to do it, then dont you think, you have to look at the way others who are not doing it see it.
I'm really trying to figure out what you're trying to say. Let's substitute 13 year old boy for your 5 year old, cause that makes a whole lot more sense. Are you suggesting that if I'm going to say masturbation is not wrong then I should be willing to actually ask my son to masturbate? That's quite the irrational leap. No I wouldn't ask him to masturbate or mandate it. That's his choice. He may actually choose not to. But if he chooses to do so (which he probably will. Y'know, since he's a 13 year old boy with a penis) I would be willing to talk to him about it, let him know it's normal, and talk about the issues that do concern me (lust, obsession, addiction, pornography, sexual activity with someone else, etc.)
I'm really trying to find the logic behind your muddled arguments, but I just don't see it. Maybe you can help me out. Explain to me what I'm missing.
damien, very well put! (Looks like it's time to close this topic. This person is not taking it anywhere that's productive.)
