California to ban spanking
Hmm - I don't really care.
Now if people try to spank me, they get a punch right in the face :grin:
Anyway - It always confused me when I see parents tell their children not to hit, but they hit their children? I don't get it. Are we supposed to hit?
LOL I'm with you here Eddie..Drone on Steve all you want.. Analogies and all. Ban on spanking???....Hell no.
Steve give it up!!Nowhere in my post did I refer to hitting an infant, nor would I. You are so involved in trying to get a rise out of people and causing yet another controversial discussion that you're letting yourself start misconceptions on what other people are saying. Read what I write and don’t add your own words.As Chance said, I think it’s better to smack a small child’s hand when reaching towards a hot stove than letting the child get burnt. Through the child getting his hand smack he learns the touching hot objects are bad. Somewhere you think that I said that every time a child does something bad it warrants spanking, which is not true. But if my spanking or smacking the hand of my child is going to save it from making a dangerous mistake (Like burning his/her hand), I’ll do it.>As pretty much always, you're driven by your emotions, instincts, and gut feelings. Logic and reason has no place. So be it. Just be sure to tell the adoption agency folks how you feel.Again grow up. Great parents raised me and they bestowed upon me great parenting skills that I will use on my own children some day. I will not abuse my children, beat my children, but I will spank my child if it merits the action. I will also talk to my children, and in hopes that spankings will never be needed because lets face it, no parent (well unless sadistic) likes spanking their children.Oh and Steve, last I checked you don’t have any children so I don’t think you have any right to try and tell parents how they need to raise their children. Unless you have been in the situation you cannot judge.
Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Unless you have been in the situation you cannot judge. Au Contraire, Eddie... Steve will tell you why. LOL
Originally Posted By: sdpOriginally Posted By: NtroducingMyself Unless you have been in the situation you cannot judge. Au Contraire, Eddie... Steve will tell you why. LOL LOL That I do not doubt.
I dont know that I can, I mean shit I got my ass baet with a belt, sometimes wooden spons or baloon sticks when I was a kid and fucked up. never seemed to bother my parents at all. I dont knwo that my judgment is right, but it is mine, and its something I support, abuse is abuse, but I cant lump all spanking in with abuse.shit I KNOW i deserved some of the ass kickings I got.and you ned to remember that your talking to someone whos done alot of time over assaults repeal those fuckers ! I got a long list of people that Im looking to hit !Honestly, when I decide to hit someone, those laws never enter my mind, they dont mean shit to me, I do my time and pay my fine, and thats only if my attorney cant get me out of it all together, so far hes gotten me off on all assaults, including 6 coutns of assaulting a police officer.the best advice I can ever give anyone is to hire the best attorney you can afford.
Did you bother to read the article that this thread is about? It's about making it illegal to "spank" kids aged three and younger.Believe it or not, there are people who hit babies, people who don't have your cultivated good judgment.> Oh and Steve, last I checked you don’t have any children so I don’t think you have any right to try and tell parents how they need to raise their children. Unless you have been in the situation you cannot judge.That is the biggest crock of nonsense. I was a child, I experienced "spanking", I have eyes, I read, and I reason. You have (very strongly-held) beliefs about affirmative action. Last I heard, you're not black. Sdp has his beliefs about homosexuality, but as far as I know, he's not gay.Sdp, how do you really feel about a gay man adopting children?In any case, you don't have to be a black Somali to understand that genocide is wrong. Some things just are.You are very sensitive when your ox is being gored, but you don't seem to be terribly sensitive to the dignity of other groups that disturb you.All you can talk about is your own experience, as if that's what makes the Earth rotate on its axis. You don't have to have a towering intellect to actually read about subjects that don't directly affect you, but which you have firmly-held opinions on. You should give it a try.Would you be impressed by any research that contradicts your opinion? I think not. In your solipsistic world, only your gut feeling matters.
KK thanks for expressing your opinion.
You take shit too light.
...That can be good or bad.
Prove me wrong -- back up any of your opinions not having to do with probiotics with anything beyond your gut opinion -- and I'll be happy. I know, you don't need no stinkin' facts.I think there was a pun there...or something.
> You take shit too light.
Yup. The fact that you're still here proves that a lot of people take "shit too light".
Maybe he should spank me.
if a kid does something bad, like knocking over a vase (yes, even by accident) then they need a little tap around the head. or a little smack on the butt- not enough to cause pain, just mild discomfort. When i was a little kid, i dreaded getting into trouble and getting a disciplinary tap- it never hurted, but it was scary, and reinforced the notion that if i did something bad, there would be consequences. Spanking your kids wont ensure that they turn out perfect, but its a necessary start- denying parents the right to physically discipline their children is going to screw kids up- trust me, i live in east london, which is chock full of kids who where raised poorly and it shows...
You don't know the first thing about... but thanks for playing!
Steve I don't need to prove a damned thing to you. I'm not out for your acceptance or approval.And you keep bringing in other topics, what's wrong not getting the response you hoped so you're trying to fuel the fire? Sorry "dude" not going to work.
Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyself...I think it's better to smack a small child's hand when reaching towards a hot stove than letting the child get burnt. Through the child getting his hand smack he learns the touching hot objects are bad.You white people.... hehe lets make it racial, now.I was never smacked, swatted or beat in my life. I was raised on granny's old time tribal method of child rearing. That is she or mom would tell me not to do something if I did it anyway I got shunned. Not just by them but the whole tribe. I still don't know how word of my transgressions could spread so fast. Talk about scarring a kid for life... nobody talking to ya other the courteous but curt answer for what seemed like weeks. That lasted until I was an adult and it only took a couple of times and I minded without question. I hated that treatment.The better one, that granny was especially good at, was if I was doing something stupid that she had told me to stop and I didn't listen, she would just say, "Your gonna get hurt." Now she didn't do that to anything that would imperial me but to shit like jumping off the porch when I was like 4 or something (it was a high jump). She would stand there and watch me and just keep telling me I was gonna get hurt and sure enough, I did.All she did was walk over to the edge of the porch a make sure I wasn't impaled on something. I can remember it clear as bell to this day, her offering no sympathy and saying only, "God damn it! I told ya, you were gonna get hurt!" In the mean time the dogs all gathered around to check on me, licking at me and her standing there saying "You'll listen next time wont ya." Then she shuffled off cursing and mumbling something and left me there.That may sound awful but in only had to happen once because from then on I knew, I understood, it was ingrained in my mind that if granny or really any trusted adult said to do or not to do something there was good reason behind it. From then on I knew they weren't just trying to ruin my fun. I knew they were looking out for me. I think because I understood that it made me more of a good kid. On the other hand it made me sneaky as shit. Though mom and granny somehow always knew what I was trying to get away with. The sneakiness did pay off with other people though.
now whip it. into shape. shape it up. get straight. go forward. move ahead. try to detect it. it's not too late. to whip it. whip it good. Da na na Na na.. da na na na naaaa
Ntro> Steve I don't need to prove a damned thing to you. I'm not out for your acceptance or approval.No, you don't need to prove anything to me. But it would be better for everyone if you would support an argument with more than your gut feeling. If you understand the idea of not proving the negative and such, do you have any real evidence, besides your gut, that spanking in general (and it's applied in a lot of different ways) is effective? Do you see what I'm saying?Hitting weaker people and creatures is sometimes the only way that a persons who gets pushed around can express himself and get a semblance of control. A person who hits a weaker person is a bully.Africa> if a kid does something bad, like knocking over a vase (yes, even by accident) then they need a little tap around the head. or a little smack on the butt- not enough to cause pain, just mild discomfort. You would make a hell of an animal trainer. A tiger would surely eat you. People really don't need to be hit every time they make a mistake. Maybe you should have been whacked across the knuckles every time you got a math problem wrong?So what are the results? In this thread we have some people who were raised with apparently plenty of spanking. One has gotten into many, many fights in his adult life, and another feels the need to keep his joints healthy so he can defend himself, since he apparently gets into a lot of fights. That doesn't sound too good.Keep in mind that the law in question is about hitting infants and toddlers.
Sdp, are you a "real" libertarian, or are you a faux one, who only wants the government not to regulate his behavior, everyone else be damned?How about gay men getting married and adopting children. What do you think? Maybe if they show their manhood through spanking the little ones...
I think more adults need to be spanked.... Angel??? I say whip it. Whip it good.
You have no kids. What gives you the right to have such firmly-held opinions on how they should be raised?
