Sweet Sixteen

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So there's this show right? That comes on MTV called "My Super Sweet Sixteen". I am just now hearing about it. Don't jump on me, I'm old fasioned ok, don't have that much time for anything that deals with MTV, BET, VH1. You know, the teeny bopper channels. So anyway, oddly enough I was kind of interested in this show because I saw this girl talking about her Cuban heritage. Sadly she turned out to be the most spoiled little brat I've ever seen in my entire life. I just wanted to take her over my knee and beat the pigment out of her. There was a whole marathon going on and there was nothing else to watch so I sat around to look at it for a couple of minutes. And I must say that this generation is like... the worst generation in history. How in the world can one be so conceited, rude, disrespectful, and nasty? Anyway, just wondering if you guys have ever heard of the show before. I just didn't know people, little demon teenagers could be so... yah.

Ugh, I HATE that show! ALL the girls on that show are horribly nasty to the core. Most of them curse at their friends and even their own parents if the littlest thing goes wrong. It just boggles my mind insane to see these girls behave the way they do and their parents don't do a damn thing to punish them or teach them respect. It's disgusting. That show just proves that money can turn people into crazy, angry, self-centered people, especially the teens.

yah i cant even watch that show lol parents, please start beating the shit out of/sense into your kidslololololol

My daughter watches that show and I have a fwe times alongside her.. Those girls need to be beaten.

The bitches need a reality check is what they need.

Yeah, i try not to watch that show because it upsets me... I mean, there have been some messed up parents. Like, this one girl freaked out on her mom for buying her a new car (she didn't get it at the party... What a braat), and said she f*cking hated her, and the mom took it and returned the car and bought her a new, different one for the party. Um, yeaaaaaah.... Great parenting skills.... And then there are the girls who try to be like Paris Hilton, and always say "That's hot," it's so annoying. But have you seen Made? I think that show's pretty good... I really enjoy watching it, because the people on it always seem to come out having made themselves feel good. I like happy endings.

Yeah, those chicks are the worst of the spoiled people. I used to watch it every now and then (I'd usually watch it if the chick was hot).

I watched it a few times. It makes me wonder what the hell is wrong with those parents.

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I am just now hearing about it.
Mtv will put anything on to make money......... sweet 16 is amoney maker.. And it sure don't help with the "rich kids get every thing they want" sterotypes.

If u want to see a good "reality" type thing.. U should check out crusty dirt demons. Oh yea....... I so need to be on that one!!! on secound thought..I don't think u would like the language *beep outs* lol

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I must say that this generation is like... the worst generation in history I don't think it's really fair to base a generation on a stupid tv show.
there are (i think) alot of teens (even with rich parents) that are good kids. those are just not on tv ...why? cuz their boring and it want make money.

the girls act that way cuz their alowed to act that way. u said it right there > " their parents don't do a damn thing to punish them or teach them respect" Quote:That show just proves that money can turn people into crazy, angry, self-centered people, especially the teens. i bet the families get profiles or somthing b4 hired. MTV wants nasty rich kids..... their a easy target. i don;t think the show proves anything expet that people will watch anything and they will put anything on tv. all it does it make a sterotype even worse. it's just like saying every one that rides horses likes country music and dress like a dork.........not true. (bad example..lol but i can't think of a better one.  Quote:Yeah, those chicks are the worst of the spoiled people. I used to watch it every now and then (I'd usually watch it if the chick was hot). lol I know… done the same. While I’m watching tho I get tho think hell I couldn’t put up with her shit and then change the channel. I don’t care how hot a girl is. If she’s a pain in the ass… she’s a pain in the ass. Humm I just wonder sometimes how much of it is “acting”.

Originally Posted By: CR125i bet the families get profiles or somthing b4 hired. MTV wants nasty rich kids..... their a easy target. i don;t think the show proves anything expet that people will watch anything and they will put anything on tv. all it does it make a sterotype even worse.You are absolutely right. What has the world done to TV!? (j/k)

Quote:What has the world done to TV (j/k)they watch it. (not j/k)btw..how come b4 i could high light wut i paste and the quote code would go around liek it;s suposed too but now when i do that the quote cade jumps the the bottom of the screen thing...urggg. it all changed after the mood smilies came. is it just mine or has it changed.? btw...again..  Quote:You are absolutely right i know..i'm always right. i'm just mr. right...... LMA0 (j/k)

Know what the problem is?There's a generation of kids who have been told from pre-school that they are special just because they exist. Not because of any contribution they make, just cause they breath the air. And they're told they are the most important person in the world. And then they are told that the greatest love of all is to love themselves, so that's what they do. Then they grow up to be spoiled punk kids who think they deserve whatever they want, cause they've been told from early on that they do, and that they can be and have whatever they want.That's dangerous. I've seen the fallout of that on this board.The alternative? Messages like:- You are not that special in and of yourself. It is your contribution to the world around you that makes you special.- You need to understand right now that you are not the center of the universe. You need to consider others above yourself.- The greatest love of all is learning how to love others and take care of others. Find what people need. Get it to them.- You don't deserve anything other than to be protected and to have your needs met. Anything else is a gift. You don't deserve it, so you damned well better appreciate it.- The fact of the matter is that you cannot be or do whatever you want. You're not God or Superman. You have limits. We all have limits. And if you try to achieve something and fail, there's about a 99.9% chance it's your own fault.Is that harsh? Tough titties. It's reality.Give kids those messages, along with unconditional support and love, and they'll shine.

I am proud to say I don't watch mtv or anything like that. If they call it MUSIC television.. then why don't they ever have any music? all they ever have is some crappy reality tv..I hate MTV.. maybe because it sorta represents the bastardization of music.

I agree with some of your points, damien, but with some others I strongly disagree.To say that someone is only special as a result of his/her contribution to the world, is to tell a quadriplegic he is valueless, isn't it, if "special" means "valuable"? While if we use the sense of "unique", people are unique through their personalities much more than through their contributions to the world. Even those of us who are whole-bodied will mostly contribute to the world as unexceptional cogs in the wheels - useful and valuable, but by no means irreplaceable.In my view the problem is usually not parents' giving excessive self-esteem, but insufficient responsibility. Quote:And if you try to achieve something and fail, there's about a 99.9% chance it's your own fault.I take exception to that - I think it grossly underestimates the significance of pure chance. Indeed, it's not consistent with your words immediately before, about limits. If someone tries to be an Olympic athlete and fails, it could be through being too lazy to train; but it's more likely just not having the optimum genetics, or being born in the wrong place or the wrong family.

I believe one of the problems is that its all relative.I could be a very unlucky individual (statistically wise I would say I am) Because playig video games I actually checked the kill counter... i was wayyyyy over my limit and should have gotten a way higher net value many times over then I actually did. On sufficent enough times so that I could reasonable say I have bad statistical luck. Hell I hate random number generaters in online games and other games because I will be looking for common items long after others have gotten by luck the rarest in the game.Yet, on the flipside I have a "natural intelligence" to where even if I don't excell academically... I still know the material sometimes better then people with straight a's.So i try not to factor in luck because its really to easy to end up telling someone who is legit unlucky "your just not working hard enough" or.. its really easy to over praise someone who is lucky and say "omg you work so hard".

>There's a generation of kids who have been told from pre-school that they are special just because they exist.

In my opinion, they are. However, many parents forget to stress that if you are special because you exist, then every other single person on this planet is just as special as you.

>- You are not that special in and of yourself. It is your contribution to the world around you that makes you special.
Imagine telling a CHILD that... Most kids have HUGE dreams (remember that underground fort, that two-story dollhouse, and that hole to China), and if they don't achieve them, they are going to have this big sense of failure, not just with themselves, but with the whole world.

>- You need to understand right now that you are not the center of the universe. You need to consider others above yourself.
No, you are equals. And you should KNOW that telling people that they are the lowest person on the totem pole is a terrible idea... Look at all the posts in Relationships and Teen Problems where people have terrible self esteem.

As for everything else... Well, you aren't exactly letting your (future) kids grow and change themselves... How are they ever going to learn how to be a better person, if you tell them how to do it every time?

I think I agree with most, not all, but most of your sentiment, however I see no need in the harshness of it's delivery.>>>"You are not that special in and of yourself. It is your contribution to the world around you that makes you special."I think it better to deliver the message that you are special in and of yourself to me, your parent, but that does not mean you may disrespect or walk all over me.>>>"You don't deserve anything other than to be protected and to have your needs met. Anything else is a gift. You don't deserve it, so you damned well better appreciate it."I kinda disagree. I think there are things in life we do deserve besides protection and shelter. There are things we work very hard for that maybe we do deserve. The more veracious lesson of life would be that even though you may feel you deserve it, that doesn't mean life will give it to you but that doesn't mean you give up or lose hope.>>>"The fact of the matter is that you cannot be or do whatever you want. You're not God or Superman. You have limits. We all have limits. And if you try to achieve something and fail, there's about a 99.9% chance it's your own fault."With this I completely disagree. I think the percentage should probably be flipped. I believe that 99% of what happens to us is beyond our subjective oversight. Humanity may like to think that they have that much control over their lives but its just not the case. Bad things happen to good people every second of every day. Unfair things happen to diligent people every second of every day. Though most would never admit to it, successful peoples success is do to having a little knowledge and fortune smiling on them. They'll tell you, "No, I've gotten where I am at cause I've worked hard." While it may be true that they've worked hard that doesn't directly correlate to success. There are million who have worked just as hard or harder but have never had fortune smile on them. Life's a crap shoot. Rather than placing blame for failure it should be about continuing to try in the face of failure, it should be about taking sage from that which we have overcome, even when no one else values our dominion over the seemingly mundane. The lesson should be how to react to life's inequities. ...not to let the the fact you lost to the boy who cheated destroy your will to compete and try, or dampen your determination. It should be about attitude and how a poor attitude can destroy any chance of success and how a good attitude can sometimes put you over the top, attitude is after all the one thing we do have control over.

Originally Posted By: damien- You don't deserve anything other than to be protected and to have your needs met. ...AND you better expect to have to earn it! Life is not some free-ride. The world does not owe you something, no matter how wonderful/beautiful/sexy/smart you think you are.

Obviously, my post was a rant. Not a research document. As such, it was coming from a very frustrated place. I agree with those who said that I made valid points but took them to an extreme. Not denying that. What I was hoping to do was to steer folks away from the kind of mentality that creates all those monsters Abi was talking about.That being said... Originally Posted By: ajmakoko>- You are not that special in and of yourself. It is your contribution to the world around you that makes you special.Imagine telling a CHILD that... Most kids have HUGE dreams (remember that underground fort, that two-story dollhouse, and that hole to China), and if they don't achieve them, they are going to have this big sense of failure, not just with themselves, but with the whole world. I think you're totally missing my point. In fact, I don't even get how you're response is connected to my statement at all. I'm not saying children need to cure cancer or even solve for pi. I'm saying that they need to be learning, in age-appropriate ways, to contribute to the world around them. For my nephew, that might mean learning to help his mommy fold washcloths. When he's six, he can go with his Daddy to help work in the yard of a shut in. And when he's 12 and can start working with groups who do mission projects. That kind of thing. There is not a functioning person in the world who shouldn't be able to contribute to their world.  Originally Posted By: ajmakoko>- You need to understand right now that you are not the center of the universe. You need to consider others above yourself.No, you are equals. And you should KNOW that telling people that they are the lowest person on the totem pole is a terrible idea... Look at all the posts in Relationships and Teen Problems where people have terrible self esteem. That's an astounding leap you just made there, my friend. To say someone is not the center of the universe is hardly as drastic as saying they are on the bottom of the totem pole. Great googly moogly! How did you come to that conclusion. Considering others first has nothing to do with the value of anyone. It's about learning to consider the needs of others.Sheesh...even your responses have kind of affirmed to me that I kind of have a point.As for everything else... Well, you aren't exactly letting your (future) kids grow and change themselves... How are they ever going to learn how to be a better person, if you tell them how to do it every time? [/quote]