Egg+egg=baby?

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Originally Posted By: JapanFan14Actually I was kidding...Crazy that you're comparing child birth to kidney stones. At least with kidney stones you can take medicine to dissolve them... I don't think you can dissolve a baby... Actually, they can't desolve it once you've begun to pass it...you have to know it's there ahead of time to do that, and it's not a quick process. I have had to pass most of mine. The ones I couldn't had to be blasted by a process known as lithotripsey. I haven't had one dissolved yet.

and what did that co$t?

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedand what did that co$t? Nothing.Good thing we don't have socialized health-care or I'd probably still be waiting to get it done.

Originally Posted By: Amped94

Thor, if i put on a wig and a hot little mini skirt can we have wild kinky sex??

Will you shave your legs?

Originally Posted By: unsupervisedI don't know if they can make gender assignment illegal but there is much discussion about it being unethical. It seems to make more sense in the long run to let someone make that decision for his/her self. Yes, there will be some stigma during childhood but that's only a fraction of a human's entire life. Now there's a liberal attitude for you. Wait until the child is so messed up and confused about who he/she/it is so you can foist the responsibility of making a decision off onto them. No...a decision needs to be made early on BEFORE all the confusion sets in. I think it should be the parents decision...not the doctors AND CERTAINLY NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Kids lives are tough enough as it is these days without folks trying to foist off their responsibilities as parents onto them and then finding a way to call it a good thing.

Originally Posted By: thor

Originally Posted By: unsupervised

I don't know if they can make gender assignment illegal but there is much discussion about it being unethical. It seems to make more sense in the long run to let someone make that decision for his/her self. Yes, there will be some stigma during childhood but that's only a fraction of a human's entire life.

Now there's a liberal attitude for you. Wait until the child is so messed up and confused about who he/she/it is so you can foist the responsibility of making a decision off onto them. No...a decision needs to be made early on BEFORE all the confusion sets in. I think it should be the parents decision...not the doctors AND CERTAINLY NOT THE GOVERNMENT! Kids lives are tough enough as it is these days without folks trying to foist off their responsibilities as parents onto them and then finding a way to call it a good thing.

So, you should assign the child a gender instead of waiting to see which gender it actually aligns with? There have been many cases where this has been done and later found out that their little girl should have really been a boy, or the other way around. Yes it might be a bit traumatic for a child to know they are different, but how much worse would it be being raised as a girl to realize you should have been a boy and your parents had your penis removed?

I just think in the best interest of the child its best to wait before making such an important, life changing, decision.

Like a year ago NBC (I think) had a special about this topic, and how the doctors talked the parents into female gender assignment because it was the easier of the surgeries. It was sad to see how that decision really made some of these children's lives miserable.

Originally Posted By: NtroducingMyselfLike a year ago NBC (I think) had a special about this topic, and how the doctors talked the parents into female gender assignment because it was the easier of the surgeries. It was sad to see how that decision really made some of these children’s lives miserable. Seems like the parents let the doctor make the decision, in that case. That's the parents fault for deferring their responsibilities to the doctor. The doctor and government are NOT the ones responsible for bringing a new life into the world...the parents are. They need to make the decision...and make it wisely.Suppose they decide on male and the child eventually moves in that direction physically...but not after suffering years of trauma that leave permanent scars on the psyche? So, you see, an argument of that type can be made in either direction. I think with modern techniques, most of the kind of mistakes you refer to can be avoided...that same cannot be said of the phsychological trauma of being "neuter" during your childhood.

you're so predictable.yes, enforce your choice and your will. god likes it like that

Wow, now we're on gender assignment? Right on track guys.

Bang up job, really. You butcher well. Might I say y'all do a MIGHTY good job of blending posts, too. Dragging in the gay thing [from like 3 months ago!...."06/01/09"], then the uni. health thing, then the socialism thing...Make up your minds...

yes, we are just that damn good!

I don't know how I feel about genger assinment but, I do know how I feel about genger reassinment. I don't like it but, I my reason for not liking it is because I have a cousin that had it done and he regrets having it done and everybody that has had it done that I know of has regretted it. I think that unless there is a medical reason for it than I don't think you should have it done. That my personal opinion.

This is the same side of the family that two o y aunts believed that they saw aliens one even says that she was abducted by them, and same sid that my grandma saw a ghost. And were my cousin lived he, well now she, there were several sex changes.The funny part is that the lady that he was married too doesn't believe in divorce so they moved to Miami. He looks like a guy in drag now. She has to work really hard to keep up his apperence. Right after the surgery he looked like a girl but now not so much.

you took the words right out of my mouth. I know a hell of a lot of people and not one is transgendered. I know of one person through friends in the local gay scene who is but I don't know him personally (born as "her")most of what I've heard and read about reassignment is that people are miserable BEFORE the surgery, not after

Yea that's what they want you to beleive but, in reality some are worse 10 years later. The surgery was madefor people who were born with XY chromosomes and were female or vise versa. Even after the surgery you are not completely what you want to be, in my opinion. But I'm not going to judge any more it's there choice not mine. I'm perfectly happy with being gay and don't feel the need to be a girl. Alothough if I. Were a girl I'd be even more flexible lol. But I think I stick with my flexibility I have already. I can kick things that are up to 6' 5" an I'm only 6' 3".

Originally Posted By: RadThe offering of your daughter for the night will be one ignored, I hope, and I hope the sleeping with them, but you don't hesitate to stress the presumed sin of homosexuality that you like to read into that story, which many Biblical scholars state had nothing to do with male/male sex anyway. Expanding on that (I know I said I was done, but I think this a good point), I would like to propose a question to the class.Thor, you said that God destroyed Sodom because "we all know why", I don't, but I would assume you mean the "sodomy", as it now is called.Now here's my question.Given current law, say there's a rape investigation, etc., and two gay men are involved, they don't say "When was the last time you sodomized each other?", they'd only say it if they found a man dead, etc., with something [an object] that shouldn't be in a particular place., other wise it would be "When was the last time you two had sex?"Now at the time, I know that this statute of law didn't exist, etc., but I do know that Lust was a cardinal vice, still is too, lol. Now what if Sodom was destroyed, becuase God didn't like the massive amounts of lust that were abound (Lot's visitors wanting sex with his male room-mates), and not because they were in love and having sex? When you're actually in love, the "qualifications" for lust/being lustful get raised, like they would now, I would assume.So what if the real sin that was rampant in Sodom, was lust?

If you think about it, the two go hand-in-hand. Without lust to begin with, there would have been no issues in Sodom.Rom.1[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Originally Posted By: thor

Without lust to begin with, there would have been no issues in Sodom.

Yes, my point exactly. So would it be fair to say that the root of it all lies in/started with lust?

Another question: What if they were Nephilim? Would it still be that you should always greet them into your house? Maybe Sodom was destroyed becuase of Nephilim, working for evil sides, posing as innocents. You know what I mean? Maybe it came down to demons, and not men falling for their desires, or lusting for one another, you know?

I foudn this Essay tonight and thought I would post it. I thought it was very well done and well stated.

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All I Want for the Holidays by Jonathan Bannon Maher

When trade smiths, farmers, teachers and clergy sailed west on boats from Europe with their families in the early 1600s, they sought to leave behind oppression in favor of opportunity and freedom. A century and a half later this vision was recorded in a document, The Declaration of Independence of the United States of America, perhaps best epitomized by the idea captured in the phrase "all men are created equal". Though imperfectly gender specific, it was the first time in the history of humanity that had ever been declared by a governing body. On November 4th of this year, we saw our founders' vision affirmed in the first election of an African American to the highest office of the land, but on the same day, that founding vision fell short in the passage of a law in California to prohibit marriage between loving consenting adults of the same sex.

I am gay, but at 27, marriage is not necessarily the first thing on my mind as I write this. Here is what is on my mind: discriminating between heterosexuals and homosexuals in the law--be it in opportunities for marriage, military service, or through the intentional omission of protections in employment, housing and education--creates a stigma that carries over to the workplace and our public schools, sometimes with devastating consequences.

On February 13th of this year, a 15 year old in Ventura County California, Lawrence King, was shot twice in the head as he sat in his middle school classroom. He was killed by a 14 year old male classmate. According to students in a Newsweek article, he had recently asked that same male classmate to be his valentine.

This is a problem that affects everyone: when a significant percent of the population faces artificial hurdles in achieving their full potential to contribute to society, it works to hold this country back at a time when it faces increasing global competition and challenges to its leadership status.

There are, to my knowledge, three primary reasons that gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender equality has not been fully supported in the past:

1. Family. Some believe gay marriage weakens families. In opposing the legalization of gay marriage in California in 2008, reportedly more than 30 million dollars were spent. If the money spent to oppose gay marriage had instead been contributed to family counseling services, it could have provided monthly counseling services to more than 25 thousand at risk families if the cost of a counselor were 100 dollars per hour. Strong families provide stability and resources for children to become the leaders of tomorrow. Strong families are extremely important, but denying equality to gays is not the answer. If the goal of opponents really is strong families, then opposing gay marriage is a misallocation of resources, and let us instead come together, and put resources towards social programs and counseling services that will support and strengthen families.

In addition, there are more than 1 million American children who do not have homes, who do not regularly attend school or receive proper healthcare, and who would be better able to develop into productive members of society if they had homes--even if those homes are non-traditional.

2. Nature. Some believe that homosexuality is unnatural. Around the world, in independent populations, researchers have found a substantially consistent percentage to be same-sex oriented. Over time, homosexuals have been among those who have had the most profound impact on humanity from Socrates to Alexander the Great to Shakespeare. Please remember that the next time you see a copy of Romeo and Juliet or use the Socratic Method. Opposing gays based on nature is like opposing the wind or the sun. You can put up walls but you would be better off putting up wind turbines and solar panels.

3. Religion. Some oppose homosexuality based on religion. "For a man to lie with another man as he would a woman is 'toevah'" (Leviticus 20:13), where toevah is commonly translated as "abomination" or "sin". In that same passage it is also declared toevah to eat shrimp. Toevah literally translates as "against ritual". At the time the Bible was written, people needed to reproduce for the strength of the community -- today we have the opposite problem globally, a Malthusian state, where population growth outpaces natural resource replenishment. (Disclosure: the following segment is Jed Bartlet inspired) We are also told that to touch pig skin makes one unclean, that a father may sell his daughter into slavery, and that a person should be put to death for working on the Sabbath (Sabbath is literally translated as "Saturday"). Next time you're watching football on a Sunday, ask yourself if on moral grounds, you should be supporting people who touch pig skin (Leviticus 11:8). If you're someone's daughter, next time you think to oppose homosexuals based on religion, please, ask yourself, "what would a fair price for me be?" (Exodus 21:7). If you answer a work related email on your Blackberry on the Sabbath, ask yourself if law enforcement officials should be legally obligated to stone you to death (Leviticus 23:3).

To those reading this who are heterosexual, in addition to full and equal treatment in every area, including workplace compensation, opportunity and responsibility commensurate with ability, I ask that if you see discrimination in school or in the workplace, remember how discrimination works: they go after you for something else, and if there is nothing else, they'll make something up. If you see this, speak up and out. Please. While you may be alone in your courage you are not alone in your thinking. Others will be with you when you stand on the right side of history. And please redistribute this document.

If you are a heterosexual parent of a homosexual child, please visit your local P-FLAG meeting for support services. You are not alone.

To those reading this who are homosexual, please come out to your friends, then to your family and your employer. There can not be acceptance without understanding. And please redistribute this document.

Henry David Thoreau once wrote, "I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life through a conscious endeavor." John Kennedy once said "Our problems are man-made, therefore they may be solved by man." If there is anything history has shown, it is that we can progress. That humanity, can progress. That there will be a better tomorrow. One where to the vision this country was founded upon is fully realized; where we, together as a country, once more sail west and leave behind oppression in favor of opportunity and freedom.

Thank you for reading.

http://www.jonathanmaher.com/equality/

I have a few things that I want to respond to, but seeing as I have to be off to school in a little less than 20 minutes, , it'll have to wait til' this afternoon.

Plenty I want to say, but I lack the time, I got a wedding to do this weekend, plus a camp trip right after and a hempfestival to cater soon.
In light of my busy schedule, I will just post this link with thor in mind: