Christian question..

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Why do you assume I think subjecting bystanders to second-hand smoke is OK? A staw man argument is when you take a silly premise, say that that's what the other person thinks, and then go off on how ridiculous that position is. It's an informal fallacy.

The issue of regulation of personal behavior, when it doesn't affect someone else under normal circumstances.

A while back, someone crashed into my car while it was in a parking space on the side of the road. It was subject to second-hand driving. For all a know, the offending driver was joyriding, and not on any specific business. You wouldn't say driving cars should be illegal, should you?

Back to the car driving again? At least I'm prepared this time...

Driving a car, shouldn't and isn't by most, done recklessly. (If it did then we might still be riding on horses and bikes) However choosing to smoke guarantees a faster death so long as you don't quit, and even if you do your still at risk of an early death. Smoking will always be a reckless decision no matter how many steps you take to prevent hurting yourself and others.

Cars are the most advanced and continent means of short distance travel. You know there are ways of dissimulating yourself (if that's even a word) that don't involve long term suicide. Yes, there are other methods of travel available but a car is most convents since there are no bus stops or "taxi!!!" included.

Just because there are other things in life that are dangerous doesn't make cigarettes good for you. It doesn't even mean they're better, it doesn't-even-mean that they themselves should be legal.

Cigarettes are a personal choice indeed. But 10 years down the line, if a magical genie named ranking came down and asked whether or not they want to be smokers. Would they say yes they do?

I know what your saying, but many people choose to try cigarettes and regret it for the rest of there life's, and cant stop.

Here's something I learned quite a long time ago

A person, out of peer pressure, curiosity, or stupidity, may choose to try a cigarette, or 2, or 3, or four, its nicotine, not them, that chooses for the body to become a smoker.

I'll give you an example of such an occurrence

My mom tried cigarette such an occurrence

My mom tried cigarettes at 14. Why?, because her mother (my grandma) was a smoker herself. I don't know why SHE was a smoker. So out of the 3 I listed this was curiosity. My mom also told me she tried it because she wanted to know what they were like. In a project we were supposed to ask if they could stop themselves from trying it, whether or not they quit. My mom said yes. It wasn't her choice to become a smoker, it was the addiction that made that choice. She did manage to quit but only with the help of hypnosis. However some people don't swallow their pride and seek help, and end up dead before there time. But, if there going to die they better do it, and decrease the rising population.

Driving a car, shouldn't and isn't by most, done recklessly. Driving a car is inherently risky. It's also unnecessary if you're just out to cruise around.> Just because there are other things in life that are dangerous doesn't make ciggarretts good for you.I never said cigaretts are good for you. I never said cigarettes are not dangerous. But you can't tell me that skiing is not dangerous either. Just stop in at the clinic at Kiligton (or any large ski area) on any weekend day and you'll see just how dangerous it is. I had to wait a long time to get my knee looked at because people kept coming in with life-threatening injuries. They weren't going to take me over the person with the collapsed lung.Sodomy, considered sinful by the bible, was illegal in a lot of places. The laws were even upheld by the supreme court. They were mostly used against homosexuals. People would make arguments similar to yours in support of the laws. Some would consider them pointless and unwelcome intrusions into personal, private behavior.I say, don't smoke. I also say, keep the government's nose out of the personal behavior tent. That's the only issue in contention. Now, what were we discussing?

Sorry, sorry I have to add this in since you guys are like... yeah. If it was a sin for adam and eve to wear clothes then it would be a sin for us to be naked today... you don't get it... ok. My two seconds of fame.

I don't get what you mean. And I never knew it was a sin for Adam and Eve to wear clothes. I thought it was a sin for them not to wear clothes after they were kicked out of Eden. I assume that what was considered sinful 2000 years ago by Christians would also be considered just as sinful today.

No before they were kicked out. They had no knowledge of the "good the bad and the ugly" you know... so being naked was like bad. But if you run out in the middle of the street with nothing on but your skin you'll get a fine and a couple of stares.

I don't know if God would have been upset if they'd have put on a fig leaf or a thong while in the Garden; they were completely oblivious. But at the end of it all, running around naked became sinful, according to some. It's just as sinful today. I still don't understand your point.

Besides that, a lot of Christian naturists would dispute the idea that public nudity is sinful, or wrong at all.

This kinda reminds me of the post about the guy whos girlfriend was all uptight about sex and was a very religious person, but went swimming naked with her brother.

What? lol

He's talking about Superfly, whose girlfriend has always been "that" kind of Catholic.

The kind of Catholic that always needs to be taught a lesson involving spanking... atleast in those movies

It should be safe to say that everything is a sin. If you are not sure, jsut assume that it is. If masterbation was the ultimate sin, we'd all have a first class ticket to Hell. I believe in God, I consider myself a spiritual person, but I am a masterbater and not ashamed of that fact. People interpret the Bible in their own way, to make it okay for them to do certain things. That's life. What can ya do?

In reply to:Does that also rule out fantasy? yup, because that is a lustful thought... anything dirty or lustful is a sin!

So much sinning to do...so little time to do it.

If masturbating was a sin then why did God give me a right hand to wank with.

He did it to test your faith.

Yup, he screwed over Onan just for pulling out too soon. Think about Job...and he didn't even do anyting wrong. You are uber-f**ked.

I'm not sure why they kept the book of Job in the bible. It's not a very flatering story. It kinda hurts Gods credibility that he'll let satan do as he pleases on a dare.

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It kinda hurts Gods credibility that he'll let satan do as he pleases on a dare.

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It might to show that even Satan, with him own place to rule, still has to answer to God. And that not even Satan can get away with what he pleases.

What's Satan got to do with it? God him/herself administered the butt-kicking. It just showed God to be an insecure, power-crazy, mean-ass jerk. Why would he come down so hard on Job, but leave Satan to happily do his thing?